Comments on: Let’s quit calling these silly spectacles “debates” http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/ Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce." Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:26:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.4 By: Kaus http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1542 Kaus Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:01:19 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1542 1. Good point. Hillary is your number 2 candidate that you would still vote for? 2. People are judged by the friends they hang around. Pat, if you ever write a book and mention someone that is like a father to you...what does YOU think it means. And yes, I find the Rev. Wright thing real hilarious....since I'm an " evil white man" 3. My third comment had a little smiley face...meaning I was not to be taken seriously. But it is typical...English Teacher = ex-terrorist who thinks blowing people up is cool 1. Good point. Hillary is your number 2 candidate that you would still vote for?
2. People are judged by the friends they hang around. Pat, if you ever write a book and mention someone that is like a father to you…what does YOU think it means. And yes, I find the Rev. Wright thing real hilarious….since I’m an ” evil white man”
3. My third comment had a little smiley face…meaning I was not to be taken seriously. But it is typical…English Teacher = ex-terrorist who thinks blowing people up is cool

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1540 Pat Cunningham Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:36:48 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1540 Kaus: Replies in order: 1) Candidates who belabor non-issues in a debate do so at their own political peril; witness the fact that Hillary lost ground because of her ridiculous performance Tuesday night; 2) There is nothing out there to suggest that Obama is of anything but high character; I've known scads of radicals and weirdos over the years, but I'm not responsible for their thoughts, actions and rhetoric; admit it, Kaus, you get a major woody over this Rev. Wright stuff; you love it; 3) Your third comment is just stupid. Kaus: Replies in order: 1) Candidates who belabor non-issues in a debate do so at their own political peril; witness the fact that Hillary lost ground because of her ridiculous performance Tuesday night; 2) There is nothing out there to suggest that Obama is of anything but high character; I’ve known scads of radicals and weirdos over the years, but I’m not responsible for their thoughts, actions and rhetoric; admit it, Kaus, you get a major woody over this Rev. Wright stuff; you love it; 3) Your third comment is just stupid.

]]> By: Kaus http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1539 Kaus Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:27:38 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1539 Pat, going back to the very beginning of this chain: 1. Your idea of a debate with no intermediary press was a wonderful topic. But your idea is flawed. The candidates will bring up this naughty stuff (that you claim is uninteresting and irrelevent only because it is YOUR candidate getting hit) 2. I don't want to revisit Jeremiah WRONG. But Mike is RIGHT....the company Obama keeps is a character flaw/pattern. 3. I'm sure the topic of Pipe Bombs must have come up once or twice at the board meetings with his buddy Ayres :-) Pat, going back to the very beginning of this chain:

1. Your idea of a debate with no intermediary press was a wonderful topic. But your idea is flawed. The candidates will bring up this naughty stuff (that you claim is uninteresting and irrelevent only because it is YOUR candidate getting hit)
2. I don’t want to revisit Jeremiah WRONG. But Mike is RIGHT….the company Obama keeps is a character flaw/pattern.
3. I’m sure the topic of Pipe Bombs must have come up once or twice at the board meetings with his buddy Ayres :-)

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1538 Mike Carroll Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:31:25 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1538 Edit-Comment should be plural re his wife above. Edit-Comment should be plural re his wife above.

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1537 Mike Carroll Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:29:34 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1537 I think that's an apples oranges argument. Here is my take on all of this- I am willing to give Obama the benefit of a doubt on Wright although he had to know about the more incendiary sermons. I would have left that church or told Wright he was off base but that's me. I am willing to give Obama the benefit of a doubt on the bittergate controversy although I think that is what he truly feels. I don't think there is malice in the man. I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt on William Ayres. I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt on the nuttier comment that his wife has made. BUT-I am getting to the point where there is a cumulative effect on the multiple "benefit of a doubts' listed where, if I were an independent, it would certainly make me question his judgement and wonder if maybe he doesn't need a bit more experience. I think that’s an apples oranges argument.
Here is my take on all of this-
I am willing to give Obama the benefit of a doubt on Wright although he had to know about the more incendiary sermons. I would have left that church or told Wright he was off base but that’s me.
I am willing to give Obama the benefit of a doubt on the bittergate controversy although I think that is what he truly feels. I don’t think there is malice in the man.
I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt on William Ayres.
I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt on the nuttier comment that his wife has made.
BUT-I am getting to the point where there is a cumulative effect on the multiple “benefit of a doubts’ listed where, if I were an independent, it would certainly make me question his judgement and wonder if maybe he doesn’t need a bit more experience.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1534 Pat Cunningham Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:31:33 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1534 Ah, but McCain went out of his way to get an endorsement from this nutcase. Ah, but McCain went out of his way to get an endorsement from this nutcase.

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1533 Mike Carroll Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:25:16 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1533 Uh, just a thought but perhaps its because John McCain hasn't been sitting in Hagee's church for the last 20 years. Uh, just a thought but perhaps its because John McCain hasn’t been sitting in Hagee’s church for the last 20 years.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1532 Pat Cunningham Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:18:16 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1532 Kaus: How come you're not as obsessed with the hate-filled rhetoric of McCain's pal, the Rev. John Hagee? Is it because he's a white evangelical? As for Hillary's attacks on Obama regarding the Rev. Wright, every time she (or anybody else) brings up that crap, Obama goes higher in the polls. Methinks most Americans are tired of hearing about it. Kaus: How come you’re not as obsessed with the hate-filled rhetoric of McCain’s pal, the Rev. John Hagee? Is it because he’s a white evangelical? As for Hillary’s attacks on Obama regarding the Rev. Wright, every time she (or anybody else) brings up that crap, Obama goes higher in the polls. Methinks most Americans are tired of hearing about it.

]]> By: Kaus http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1531 Kaus Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:47:34 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1531 I promised in past posts not to bring up Rev. Wright. Don't make me bring up the WELL DOCUMENTED backgound of his anti-zionist, anti American, and anti white sentiment. Hillary has challenged Obama on all these topics, so don't just blame right wing talk radio. I promised in past posts not to bring up Rev. Wright. Don’t make me bring up the WELL DOCUMENTED backgound of his anti-zionist, anti American, and anti white sentiment. Hillary has challenged Obama on all these topics, so don’t just blame right wing talk radio.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1529 Pat Cunningham Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:50:49 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/17/lets-quit-calling-these-silly-spectacles-debates/#comment-1529 By the way, Kaus, who are you calling a "white-jew-hating-america-hating preacher"? You're getting confused again, aren't you, Kaus? Is the preacher to whom you refer white? Does he hate white Jews? What about black Jews? Does he hate Americans who hate white Jews? You've been listening to right-wing radio again, haven't you? I'm telling you, that stuff causes brain damage. By the way, Kaus, who are you calling a “white-jew-hating-america-hating preacher”? You’re getting confused again, aren’t you, Kaus? Is the preacher to whom you refer white? Does he hate white Jews? What about black Jews? Does he hate Americans who hate white Jews? You’ve been listening to right-wing radio again, haven’t you? I’m telling you, that stuff causes brain damage.

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