Comments on: Arab-Americans…American Muslims…Hey, they’re all pretty much the same, right? http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/ Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce." Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:42:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.4 By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1665 Pat Cunningham Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:41:32 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1665 Stupid question,Kaus. The only people who care about the Bill Ayers issue are people who are going to find any excuse not to vote for Obama. Obama has nothing to do with the crimes committed by Bill Ayers and has denounced those crimes. End of story, except for people like you. You'd do better to worry about your Republican nominee, Mr. Straight Talk. When are you going to explain McCain's coziness with the hate-monger John Hagee? When, Kaus, when? Or do you endorse Hagee's hateful rhetoric? Stupid question,Kaus. The only people who care about the Bill Ayers issue are people who are going to find any excuse not to vote for Obama. Obama has nothing to do with the crimes committed by Bill Ayers and has denounced those crimes. End of story, except for people like you. You’d do better to worry about your Republican nominee, Mr. Straight Talk. When are you going to explain McCain’s coziness with the hate-monger John Hagee? When, Kaus, when? Or do you endorse Hagee’s hateful rhetoric?

]]> By: Kaus http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1664 Kaus Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:08:01 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1664 Which group of terrorists to we group Bill Ayers into? Which group of terrorists to we group Bill Ayers into?

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1654 Mike Carroll Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:35:06 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1654 Pat-I think Obama would be a better President than Clinton. I agree that he would be the stronger candidate so that is why I say for the good of the country. I do think Obama is beatable by McCain but there is a long way to go until November. Besides, 4 to 8 more years of the Clinton's could get me to move to Canada. And Pat, never ever underestimate the Dark Force of the Clintons. They will be gone whenever someone drives a wooden stake though their hearts. Pat-I think Obama would be a better President than Clinton. I agree that he would be the stronger candidate so that is why I say for the good of the country. I do think Obama is beatable by McCain but there is a long way to go until November.
Besides, 4 to 8 more years of the Clinton’s could get me to move to Canada. And Pat, never ever underestimate the Dark Force of the Clintons. They will be gone whenever someone drives a wooden stake though their hearts.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1652 Pat Cunningham Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:10:33 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1652 Mike: You write: "I would much rather, for the sake of the country, see Obama as the nominee." Does this mean that you think Obama would be a weaker candidate against McCain? Or do you mean he'd be a better president than Hillary? Frankly, I don't see how Hillary can become president. If she gets the nomination despite Obama having won more states, popular votes and pledged delegates, the Democratic Party will fall apart and McCain will win in a walk. She also would energize the Republican base. For that reason and others, I figure McCain would much rather Hillary win the nomination. I don't see how he could beat Obama in November. Mike: You write: “I would much rather, for the sake of the country, see Obama as the nominee.” Does this mean that you think Obama would be a weaker candidate against McCain? Or do you mean he’d be a better president than Hillary? Frankly, I don’t see how Hillary can become president. If she gets the nomination despite Obama having won more states, popular votes and pledged delegates, the Democratic Party will fall apart and McCain will win in a walk. She also would energize the Republican base. For that reason and others, I figure McCain would much rather Hillary win the nomination. I don’t see how he could beat Obama in November.

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1649 Mike Carroll Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:47:43 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1649 Pat-I might argue that this was a circumstance where the violence was justified but I can respect, in this rare isolated instance, your stated opinion on the matter. Good luck today BTW. I would much rather, for the sake of the country, see Obama as the nominee. Pat-I might argue that this was a circumstance where the violence was justified but I can respect, in this rare isolated instance, your stated opinion on the matter.
Good luck today BTW. I would much rather, for the sake of the country, see Obama as the nominee.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1640 Pat Cunningham Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:05:36 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1640 To be frank about it, Mike, I have mixed feelings about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. My point in this post is that lots of Americans rightly or wrongly don't mind terrorism against civilians if they think it serves a worthy, patriotic purpose. Clearly, most Americans did feel that the bombings served that worthy purpose. My feelings, as I said, are profoundly mixed. My philosophical leanings are toward pacifism, but there are conditions in which I think violence can be justified. The issue regarding Japan is complicated by the fact that most of the victims were non-combatants. But I also recognize the arguments about saving American (and, yes, Japanese) lives. You're free, of course, to argue in favor of the bombing, but don't expect me to suddenly take your side. I've heard and read countless arguments on the matter, and I'm still conflicted. To be frank about it, Mike, I have mixed feelings about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. My point in this post is that lots of Americans rightly or wrongly don’t mind terrorism against civilians if they think it serves a worthy, patriotic purpose. Clearly, most Americans did feel that the bombings served that worthy purpose. My feelings, as I said, are profoundly mixed. My philosophical leanings are toward pacifism, but there are conditions in which I think violence can be justified. The issue regarding Japan is complicated by the fact that most of the victims were non-combatants. But I also recognize the arguments about saving American (and, yes, Japanese) lives. You’re free, of course, to argue in favor of the bombing, but don’t expect me to suddenly take your side. I’ve heard and read countless arguments on the matter, and I’m still conflicted.

]]> By: Mike Carroll http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1637 Mike Carroll Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:55:59 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1637 "To this day, a majority of our citizens support the decision of 63 years ago to drop nuclear bombs on Japanese cities that were of no strategic military importance, killing tens of thousands of civilians." and the remainder are absolute morons who have no clue when it comes to the history of that time. Please tell me Pat that you are not one of those Stanley Campbell revisionists. “To this day, a majority of our citizens support the decision of 63 years ago to drop nuclear bombs on Japanese cities that were of no strategic military importance, killing tens of thousands of civilians.” and the remainder are absolute morons who have no clue when it comes to the history of that time. Please tell me Pat that you are not one of those Stanley Campbell revisionists.

]]> By: Kaus http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1633 Kaus Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:01:46 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1633 Me thinks Pat knows nothing about risk mitigation and would lose his shirt in Vegas playing any card games. Based on how many Islamo terrorists you have in the deck...... You know they created RICO laws to eliminate organized crime amongst our Sicilian friends long ago....I see nothing wrong with outwitting and vetting terrorist organizations. In fact, if the Feds want to come to my Church and vet it properly, I say come on in Brothers and Sisters. Me thinks Pat knows nothing about risk mitigation and would lose his shirt in Vegas playing any card games. Based on how many Islamo terrorists you have in the deck……

You know they created RICO laws to eliminate organized crime amongst our Sicilian friends long ago….I see nothing wrong with outwitting and vetting terrorist organizations. In fact, if the Feds want to come to my Church and vet it properly, I say come on in Brothers and Sisters.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1625 Pat Cunningham Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:29:07 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1625 What you're saying here, Bob, doesn't make much sense. The part about McVeigh is confusing ("endorsed by the church authorities and holy scriptures..."? What does that mean?) And where in the hell did you get the idea that I'm "inclined to attribute negative characteristics to white Christians that (I) refuse to consider for nearly any American Muslim"? Show me what I wrote that supports your allegation. Notice, please, this passage from I wrote: "None of my argument here is to suggest that there aren’t American Muslims who might do this nation and its people harm in certain circumstances or that we shouldn’t take reasonable precautions against such misdeeds." You must have missed that part, eh, Bob? And are you denying that abortion providers haven't been murdered by Christian fanatics? Are you denying that Southern Christians weren't involved in countless lynchings? Are you denying that most American Christians, rightly or wrongy, support in retrospect the killing of civilians in the nuclear attacks on Japan? I will concede one point to you. I find that Timothy McVeigh once said in an interview that he had been raised a Catholic but drifted away from the church when he was in the military. When he was awaiting trial, he said he believed in God but declined to discuss in detail his religious leanings. So, I was wrong to suggest that he had any strong religious beliefs, Christian or otherwise. What you’re saying here, Bob, doesn’t make much sense. The part about McVeigh is confusing (”endorsed by the church authorities and holy scriptures…”? What does that mean?) And where in the hell did you get the idea that I’m “inclined to attribute negative characteristics to white Christians that (I) refuse to consider for nearly any American Muslim”? Show me what I wrote that supports your allegation. Notice, please, this passage from I wrote: “None of my argument here is to suggest that there aren’t American Muslims who might do this nation and its people harm in certain circumstances or that we shouldn’t take reasonable precautions against such misdeeds.” You must have missed that part, eh, Bob? And are you denying that abortion providers haven’t been murdered by Christian fanatics? Are you denying that Southern Christians weren’t involved in countless lynchings? Are you denying that most American Christians, rightly or wrongy, support in retrospect the killing of civilians in the nuclear attacks on Japan? I will concede one point to you. I find that Timothy McVeigh once said in an interview that he had been raised a Catholic but drifted away from the church when he was in the military. When he was awaiting trial, he said he believed in God but declined to discuss in detail his religious leanings. So, I was wrong to suggest that he had any strong religious beliefs, Christian or otherwise.

]]> By: Menlo Bob http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1620 Menlo Bob Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:53:21 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/04/21/arab-americansamerican-muslimshey-theyre-all-pretty-much-the-same-right/#comment-1620 My my, you do seem very inclined to attribute negative characteristics to white Christians that you refuse to consider for nearly any American Muslim. I imagine that this is representative of your vaunted tolerance. Wonder what the documented religious practices of Timothy McVeigh were? And I'd imagine that his activities were endorsed by the church authorities and holy scriptures. And that he has a sizable following...say in the 13% range. My my, you do seem very inclined to attribute negative characteristics to white Christians that you refuse to consider for nearly any American Muslim. I imagine that this is representative of your vaunted tolerance. Wonder what the documented religious practices of Timothy McVeigh were? And I’d imagine that his activities were endorsed by the church authorities and holy scriptures. And that he has a sizable following…say in the 13% range.

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