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	<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/</link>
	<description>Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce."</description>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2124</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, I did none of the things you said here -- &lt;a href="http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/should-government-leaders-heed-public-opinion-polls-before-making-important-decisions/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;didn't you just accuse me of putting words in your mouth?&lt;/a&gt;

Your really projecting.  And very defensive.

You don't know me and you don't know what I think.

I didn't call you unpatriotic -- I never claimed to have a corner on patriotism.  I love the varied opinions in this country they are what make America great!  It provides the balance that allows America to continue in its greatness.  There may be swings one way but they are  countered providing the path we have maintained to this day.

Did you read the NYTimes article I quoted -- it attacked Fox and all the news and ridiculed the unwashed term but did state that they had a pro-American outlook, something you questioned.

I provide you with evidence and you imply I am not pro-American, a chickenhawk and fascits.  How big of you -- hope you feel better tomorrow.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, I did none of the things you said here &#8212; <a href="http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/should-government-leaders-heed-public-opinion-polls-before-making-important-decisions/#comments" rel="nofollow">didn&#8217;t you just accuse me of putting words in your mouth?</a></p>
<p>Your really projecting.  And very defensive.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know me and you don&#8217;t know what I think.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call you unpatriotic &#8212; I never claimed to have a corner on patriotism.  I love the varied opinions in this country they are what make America great!  It provides the balance that allows America to continue in its greatness.  There may be swings one way but they are  countered providing the path we have maintained to this day.</p>
<p>Did you read the NYTimes article I quoted &#8212; it attacked Fox and all the news and ridiculed the unwashed term but did state that they had a pro-American outlook, something you questioned.</p>
<p>I provide you with evidence and you imply I am not pro-American, a chickenhawk and fascits.  How big of you &#8212; hope you feel better tomorrow.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2118</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2118</guid>
		<description>You couldn't be more daft if you tried, David.  Fox's jingoism is pseudo-patriotism.  The network's so-called pro-American coverage of the war amounts to mere mouthing of the Bush administration's propaganda.  You may have noticed, David, that the vast majority of Americans -- even as measured by polls commissioned by Fox -- aren't buying the war propaganda and haven't  been buying it for several years.

And furthermore, David, how dare you approvingly quote some Fox News pinhead to the effect that opponents of this stupid war are "the great unwashed."  Those opponents include countless military veterans, retired generals and admirals, parents of kids killed or maimed in Iraq and millions of other good, decent, patriotic Americans.  Where do you and the rest of your self-righteous ilk get off with resorting to such a disgusting smear?
Where did you ever get the notion that people like you have a corner on patriotism? 

I oppose this war, David. And I'm not one of the great unwashed. And I'm every bit as patriotic as you, perhaps more so judging by the garbage you're peddling here.

You're not pro-American, David. You're pro-blind allegiance to the chickenhawks who started this insane war.  That, my friend, smacks of fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more daft if you tried, David.  Fox&#8217;s jingoism is pseudo-patriotism.  The network&#8217;s so-called pro-American coverage of the war amounts to mere mouthing of the Bush administration&#8217;s propaganda.  You may have noticed, David, that the vast majority of Americans &#8212; even as measured by polls commissioned by Fox &#8212; aren&#8217;t buying the war propaganda and haven&#8217;t  been buying it for several years.</p>
<p>And furthermore, David, how dare you approvingly quote some Fox News pinhead to the effect that opponents of this stupid war are &#8220;the great unwashed.&#8221;  Those opponents include countless military veterans, retired generals and admirals, parents of kids killed or maimed in Iraq and millions of other good, decent, patriotic Americans.  Where do you and the rest of your self-righteous ilk get off with resorting to such a disgusting smear?<br />
Where did you ever get the notion that people like you have a corner on patriotism? </p>
<p>I oppose this war, David. And I&#8217;m not one of the great unwashed. And I&#8217;m every bit as patriotic as you, perhaps more so judging by the garbage you&#8217;re peddling here.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not pro-American, David. You&#8217;re pro-blind allegiance to the chickenhawks who started this insane war.  That, my friend, smacks of fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2116</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2116</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01EEDA1E3BF935A25757C0A9659C8B63" rel="nofollow"&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt; --  JIM RUTENBERG
:After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, though, Fox News Channel covered the fighting in Afghanistan with heavy patriotism, referring to ''our troops'' who were fighting ''terror goons.'' Fox jumped to first in the cable news ratings in January 2002. The channel has now taken its brand of pro-American journalism to a new level. One recent night, a correspondent in Iraq referred to war protesters as ''the great unwashed.''&lt;a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005312" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/a&gt; -- by ORSON SCOTT CARD

 Fox News Channel, on the other hand, claims to have only one bias--it is definitely pro-American--and it presents all the facts and every viewpoint and leaves the decision up to the viewer.

&lt;a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-0304040059apr04,0,5262597,print.story" rel="nofollow"&gt;Chicago Tribune &lt;/a&gt;-- By Steve Johnson -- How Fox is Winning The War
Tribune television critic
Yes, Fox might be said to be the American answer to Al Jazeera, seeking to put every nugget of information in the best possible American light.
(...)
Fox, of course, turns the patriotism dial up to 11

&lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/may/08/iraqandthemedia.rupertmurdoch" rel="nofollow"&gt;Guardian UK -- ITC Tackles Fox News Bias Claims&lt;/a&gt;

The Murdoch-owned Fox News Channel, whose determinedly pro-US stance during the Iraq conflict brought it critical notoriety but commercial success, is being investigated by television regulators in Britain for alleged bias.

&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#38;ct=res&#38;cd=1&#38;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMiddle_America&#38;ei=CHAaSMzMKojGigGXi42cDA&#38;usg=AFQjCNE6NyQn2Vwjxm2u47D3jDD6rDQkvw&#38;sig2=nwRSk1pwVmv73GsBV_YAIg" rel="nofollow"&gt;Middle America&lt;/a&gt;: The American middle class, especially its traditional or conservative elements.

&lt;a href="http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=188" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pew Research&lt;/a&gt;
Strong Opposition to Media Cross-Ownership Emerges
Public Wants Neutrality &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Pro-American Point of View Equally notable is the public's receptivity to the idea that news organizations embrace a decidedly "pro-American" viewpoint, which coexists with continuing support for neutrality in news coverage. Seven-in-ten Americans see it as a good thing when news organizations take a "strong pro-American point of view."
(...)
The survey finds a greater percentage of the public saying they most often turn to Fox News Channel for national and international news compared with 18 months ago. More than one-in-five Americans (22%) say they get most of their news from Fox News. This is up from the 16% recorded in January 2002 and only somewhat behind the 27% citing CNN in the current survey.
(...)
The Fox News audience also is more likely to prefer pro-American coverage of the war on terrorism.

&lt;a href="http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;TV Newser -- May 1 Ratings&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;25-54 demographic:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; (L +SD)

&lt;b&gt;Total day:&lt;/b&gt; FNC: 317 &#124; CNN: 160 &#124; MSNBC: 129 &#124; HLN: 118

&lt;b&gt;Prime:&lt;/b&gt; FNC: 612 &#124; CNN: 323 &#124; MSNBC: 225 &#124; HLN: 228

Pro-American -- Check
Middle America -- Check
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01EEDA1E3BF935A25757C0A9659C8B63" rel="nofollow">New York Times</a> &#8212;  JIM RUTENBERG<br />
:After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, though, Fox News Channel covered the fighting in Afghanistan with heavy patriotism, referring to &#8221;our troops&#8221; who were fighting &#8221;terror goons.&#8221; Fox jumped to first in the cable news ratings in January 2002. The channel has now taken its brand of pro-American journalism to a new level. One recent night, a correspondent in Iraq referred to war protesters as &#8221;the great unwashed.&#8221;<a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005312" rel="nofollow">Wall Street Journal</a> &#8212; by ORSON SCOTT CARD</p>
<p> Fox News Channel, on the other hand, claims to have only one bias&#8211;it is definitely pro-American&#8211;and it presents all the facts and every viewpoint and leaves the decision up to the viewer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-0304040059apr04,0,5262597,print.story" rel="nofollow">Chicago Tribune </a>&#8211; By Steve Johnson &#8212; How Fox is Winning The War<br />
Tribune television critic<br />
Yes, Fox might be said to be the American answer to Al Jazeera, seeking to put every nugget of information in the best possible American light.<br />
(&#8230;)<br />
Fox, of course, turns the patriotism dial up to 11</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/may/08/iraqandthemedia.rupertmurdoch" rel="nofollow">Guardian UK &#8212; ITC Tackles Fox News Bias Claims</a></p>
<p>The Murdoch-owned Fox News Channel, whose determinedly pro-US stance during the Iraq conflict brought it critical notoriety but commercial success, is being investigated by television regulators in Britain for alleged bias.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMiddle_America&amp;ei=CHAaSMzMKojGigGXi42cDA&amp;usg=AFQjCNE6NyQn2Vwjxm2u47D3jDD6rDQkvw&amp;sig2=nwRSk1pwVmv73GsBV_YAIg" rel="nofollow">Middle America</a>: The American middle class, especially its traditional or conservative elements.</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=188" rel="nofollow">Pew Research</a><br />
Strong Opposition to Media Cross-Ownership Emerges<br />
Public Wants Neutrality <i>and</i> Pro-American Point of View Equally notable is the public&#8217;s receptivity to the idea that news organizations embrace a decidedly &#8220;pro-American&#8221; viewpoint, which coexists with continuing support for neutrality in news coverage. Seven-in-ten Americans see it as a good thing when news organizations take a &#8220;strong pro-American point of view.&#8221;<br />
(&#8230;)<br />
The survey finds a greater percentage of the public saying they most often turn to Fox News Channel for national and international news compared with 18 months ago. More than one-in-five Americans (22%) say they get most of their news from Fox News. This is up from the 16% recorded in January 2002 and only somewhat behind the 27% citing CNN in the current survey.<br />
(&#8230;)<br />
The Fox News audience also is more likely to prefer pro-American coverage of the war on terrorism.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp" rel="nofollow">TV Newser &#8212; May 1 Ratings</a><br />
<i><b>25-54 demographic:</b></i> (L +SD)</p>
<p><b>Total day:</b> FNC: 317 | CNN: 160 | MSNBC: 129 | HLN: 118</p>
<p><b>Prime:</b> FNC: 612 | CNN: 323 | MSNBC: 225 | HLN: 228</p>
<p>Pro-American &#8212; Check<br />
Middle America &#8212; Check<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Menlo Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2114</link>
		<author>Menlo Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2114</guid>
		<description>Easy...that spittle is shorting out my laptop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy&#8230;that spittle is shorting out my laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2103</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2103</guid>
		<description>Fox is "pro-American"? What a hoot. And what's this crap about "middle America." Where exactly is middle America, David? Really, I'd be interested to see your answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox is &#8220;pro-American&#8221;? What a hoot. And what&#8217;s this crap about &#8220;middle America.&#8221; Where exactly is middle America, David? Really, I&#8217;d be interested to see your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2097</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2097</guid>
		<description>The Register Star -- RRStar could try offering a &lt;a href="http://rotstar.blogspot.com/2008/04/purpose-and-update-on-stats-april-28.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;balance in their political blogs&lt;/a&gt; (the offer was made repeatedly) and perhaps they would buck the trend of the other paper suffering continuous declines.  What your currently doing isn't working as recent lay offs again demonstrate. 

Or you could continue to grip on to a sinking business model -- the whole time (irrationally) cursing Fox News for providing middle America with a pro-American outlook on the news.

Just a thought.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Register Star &#8212; RRStar could try offering a <a href="http://rotstar.blogspot.com/2008/04/purpose-and-update-on-stats-april-28.html" rel="nofollow">balance in their political blogs</a> (the offer was made repeatedly) and perhaps they would buck the trend of the other paper suffering continuous declines.  What your currently doing isn&#8217;t working as recent lay offs again demonstrate. </p>
<p>Or you could continue to grip on to a sinking business model &#8212; the whole time (irrationally) cursing Fox News for providing middle America with a pro-American outlook on the news.</p>
<p>Just a thought.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2077</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2077</guid>
		<description>Oops! The Fox Sunday talker is rebroadcast on Fox News Channel on Sunday nights.  I apologize for the error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! The Fox Sunday talker is rebroadcast on Fox News Channel on Sunday nights.  I apologize for the error.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2074</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2074</guid>
		<description>Another thing, Kaus: Tell me when Olbermann has uttered certifiable untruths (not just opinions with which you disagree).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, Kaus: Tell me when Olbermann has uttered certifiable untruths (not just opinions with which you disagree).</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2073</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2073</guid>
		<description>Hillary made an appearance on Fox News Channel.  Obama did not. Obama appeared on the Fox network's Sunday talk show, which is not on Fox News Channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary made an appearance on Fox News Channel.  Obama did not. Obama appeared on the Fox network&#8217;s Sunday talk show, which is not on Fox News Channel.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2070</link>
		<author>Kaus</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/01/fair-and-balancedand-stupid/#comment-2070</guid>
		<description>1. Dan Rather IS gone.  But Jerry Falwell is DEAD and you still brought him up in a prior blog post.
2. Anchor or Commentator....duh, I know the difference.  However, a commentator should still be subjected to truthfulness not truthiness.
3. Network news is leading ONLY because local newscasts are a lead in AND some people can't afford cable. 
4. Fox is not making an impact????  Are you joking?  Why else do Obama and Hillary make appearences there this week?   Duhhhhhhh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Dan Rather IS gone.  But Jerry Falwell is DEAD and you still brought him up in a prior blog post.<br />
2. Anchor or Commentator&#8230;.duh, I know the difference.  However, a commentator should still be subjected to truthfulness not truthiness.<br />
3. Network news is leading ONLY because local newscasts are a lead in AND some people can&#8217;t afford cable.<br />
4. Fox is not making an impact????  Are you joking?  Why else do Obama and Hillary make appearences there this week?   Duhhhhhhh</p>
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