Comments on: How about a Constitution lapel pin? http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/ Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce." Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:31:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.4 By: Bob Drasner http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-22918 Bob Drasner Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:24:31 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-22918 We are trying to find Constitutional Lapel pins The link provided does not work. http://www.pinsforpatriots.com/constitution-goldplated.html Can you PLEASE tell us where or give us a phone number? Thanks, Bob We are trying to find Constitutional Lapel pins
The link provided does not work.
http://www.pinsforpatriots.com/constitution-goldplated.html

Can you PLEASE tell us where or give us a phone number?
Thanks,
Bob

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2370 Pat Cunningham Fri, 09 May 2008 02:47:43 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2370 Amen, Mr.Knauss. Go to the head of the class. Amen, Mr.Knauss. Go to the head of the class.

]]> By: Craig Knauss http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2369 Craig Knauss Fri, 09 May 2008 02:40:39 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2369 I find the flag pins to fall into the same category as flag bumper stickers. Out here in Eastern Washington, the rednecks feel that it's alright to cheat on their taxes, shortchange their public schools, break the laws, refuse to vote intelligently (or at all), be loud, noisy, and disruptive, treat the countryside as their personal dump, treat their neighbors like crap, etc. However, when they put a flag sticker on their gas-sucking truck bumpers, presto, they are patriotic. And anyone who doesn't, is unpatriotic. A true patriotic person does not need a lapel pin (or bumper sticker) to show his patriotism. He shows it through his actions. I find the flag pins to fall into the same category as flag bumper stickers. Out here in Eastern Washington, the rednecks feel that it’s alright to cheat on their taxes, shortchange their public schools, break the laws, refuse to vote intelligently (or at all), be loud, noisy, and disruptive, treat the countryside as their personal dump, treat their neighbors like crap, etc. However, when they put a flag sticker on their gas-sucking truck bumpers, presto, they are patriotic. And anyone who doesn’t, is unpatriotic.

A true patriotic person does not need a lapel pin (or bumper sticker) to show his patriotism. He shows it through his actions.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2368 Pat Cunningham Fri, 09 May 2008 01:49:29 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2368 ROTstar: The idea that the Creator gives us rights is a theological idea and has no specific validation in the Constitution. Without the Constitution, or something very much like it, our freedoms would not be protected under law and therefore would not exist in any practical sense. We get our freedoms from the Constitution, not from the Declaration of Independence. Whether a Creator has anything to do with it is a matter of religious belief, which we are free to embrace or reject. As for your argument that "the Constitution actually restricts the governments actions — and does not give anything," you're just being semantical. If the government is restrained by the Constitution from denying me certain freedoms -- freedom of the press, for example -- then that freedom is given (or provided, or guaranteed, or protected, or whatever word you want to use) by the Constitution. We don't have a real disagreement here, except perhaps for the stuff about the Creator. ROTstar: The idea that the Creator gives us rights is a theological idea and has no specific validation in the Constitution. Without the Constitution, or something very much like it, our freedoms would not be protected under law and therefore would not exist in any practical sense. We get our freedoms from the Constitution, not from the Declaration of Independence. Whether a Creator has anything to do with it is a matter of religious belief, which we are free to embrace or reject. As for your argument that “the Constitution actually restricts the governments actions — and does not give anything,” you’re just being semantical. If the government is restrained by the Constitution from denying me certain freedoms — freedom of the press, for example — then that freedom is given (or provided, or guaranteed, or protected, or whatever word you want to use) by the Constitution. We don’t have a real disagreement here, except perhaps for the stuff about the Creator.

]]> By: Pat Cunningham http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2367 Pat Cunningham Fri, 09 May 2008 01:28:15 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2367 Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Tom.

]]> By: Tom McMahon http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2366 Tom McMahon Fri, 09 May 2008 00:43:51 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2366 Pat, you can get one here: <a href="http://www.pinsforpatriots.com/constitution-goldplated.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinsforpatriots.com/constitution-goldplated.html</a> $7 Pat, you can get one here: http://www.pinsforpatriots.com/constitution-goldplated.html $7

]]> By: ROTStar http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2365 ROTStar Thu, 08 May 2008 23:56:42 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2365 Strange thing is that the flag is a symbol of that constitution as well as the declaration of independence and everything since our founding. Oh and not to quibble, but:<blockquote><b>it’s the Constitution that gives</b> us the right to speak our minds, to embrace the religions of our choice, to be tried in courts of law by juries of our peers, and to enjoy our many other hard-won freedoms.</blockquote> Isn't quite what our Founding Fathers understood to be, self-evident: <blockquote>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed</blockquote> The Creator give the rights, the people loan the power to Governments to secure the rights and the Constitution is a contract empowering yet restricting that government. Modern liberalism would just state that the rights come from the people, I am not sure what political belief says the Constitution gives anything. The Constitution actually restricts the governments actions -- and does not give anything. After all it says "Congress shall make no law," never does it say, "This Constitution hereby grants the right." David Strange thing is that the flag is a symbol of that constitution as well as the declaration of independence and everything since our founding.

Oh and not to quibble, but:

it’s the Constitution that gives us the right to speak our minds, to embrace the religions of our choice, to be tried in courts of law by juries of our peers, and to enjoy our many other hard-won freedoms.

Isn’t quite what our Founding Fathers understood to be, self-evident:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

The Creator give the rights, the people loan the power to Governments to secure the rights and the Constitution is a contract empowering yet restricting that government.

Modern liberalism would just state that the rights come from the people, I am not sure what political belief says the Constitution gives anything.

The Constitution actually restricts the governments actions — and does not give anything. After all it says “Congress shall make no law,” never does it say, “This Constitution hereby grants the right.”

David

]]> By: hokumboy http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2364 hokumboy Thu, 08 May 2008 22:51:40 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2364 You're not a fan either? I thought, from everything I read in the RRStar, that I was the only one in town who didn't care for him. You’re not a fan either?
I thought, from everything I read in the RRStar, that I was the only one in town who didn’t care for him.

]]> By: unmanager http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2363 unmanager Thu, 08 May 2008 21:53:29 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2363 " ...the Little Prince and his entourage should take a trip up there and see how it’s done." Hey,now your stepping in MY field... http://community.e-rockford.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 ” …the Little Prince and his entourage should take a trip up there and see how it’s done.”
Hey,now your stepping in MY field…
http://community.e-rockford.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

]]> By: hokumboy http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2362 hokumboy Thu, 08 May 2008 21:15:16 +0000 http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/05/08/how-about-a-constitution-lapel-pin/#comment-2362 You should be very proud of your hometown. Rockford could learn a hell of a lot from Eau Claire. Their Riverwalk is coming along nicely and the tire plant isn't sitting abandoned. Their downtown has stores that even non-yuppies (or whatever they call 'em these days) would shop at and the Farmer's Market is absolutely great! There's things for all types of folks to do. also, the criime rate is almost negligible when compared to ours : http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=eau+claire+&s1=WI&c2=rockford&s2=IL Nope, the Little Prince and his entourage should take a trip up there and see how it's done. You should be very proud of your hometown.
Rockford could learn a hell of a lot from Eau Claire.
Their Riverwalk is coming along nicely and the tire plant isn’t sitting abandoned. Their downtown has stores that even non-yuppies (or whatever they call ‘em these days) would shop at and the Farmer’s Market is absolutely great! There’s things for all types of folks to do. also, the criime rate is almost negligible when compared to ours :

http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=eau+claire+&s1=WI&c2=rockford&s2=IL

Nope, the Little Prince and his entourage should take a trip up there and see how it’s done.

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