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• 1. Menlo Bob  |  June 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

  Now we learn that Obama loves the country so much that he married a woman who was never proud of it until her ‘baby’s daddy’ looked like he might become the president. Only now do we learn Obama went to a church where his pastor damned the country, but he loved it. Only now do we learn that not wearing the flag and not saying the pledge were signs of a deep and abiding love.

• 2. Pat Cunningham  |  June 19th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  So, Bob, you must figure that you’re more patriotic than Obama. Typical right-wing crap. Conservatives love to pretend that they invented patriotism. What a laugh! There’s no good reason to believe that Obama loves his country any less than you or your ideological brethren do. I get so sick of you pseudo-patriots.

• 3. Menlo Bob  |  June 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  You say there is no good reason to believe that Obama loves his country any less. Well there’s a ringing endorsement. Perhaps you can show me some evidence to bolster his claim instead of falsely charging me for claims I didn’t make. But I understand the impulse to engage in name calling when you come up empty.

• 4. Orlando Clay  |  June 19th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  Hey, Bob, try this one on for size! In an interview with (cough!) Sean (gag!) Hannity, John McCain said: “I never loved America until I became separated from her.” Yet, I don’t see anybody on the left trying to take that statement out of context the way the smear merchants (Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rove, et al) on the far right have twisted Michelle Obama’s comments about being proud of America.

  And please don’t even try to suggest the patriotic superiority of conservatives over liberals. I consider Obama’s choice of not wearing a flag on his lapel to be far less offensive than the conservative view of patriotism: placing a “Support Our Troops” magnetic ribbon on the family car and then looking the other way when our failure-in-chief refuses to provide our troops with the necessary body armor and subsequently denies them a 3% pay increase, saying that it costs too much. But, somehow, he manages to find billions of dollars to pay KBR for $100 hand towels. And billions more for Halliburton and Blackwater, too.

  Obama wants to put an end to this madness; Bush, on the other hand, has given up golf to show solidarity with the troops and their families.

• 5. Wade  |  June 19th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  I will agree that te conservatives have dropped the ball. Thats only because it is a crime now days to really say and do what is right. Basically conservatives are whimps with lesser values than liberals. Just do not think for a minute that Obamma is our savior. He is just like any other politican who is saying whatever it takes to get the vote. We will all see his racist anti America agenda very soon. You cannot embrace the Nation Of Islam and claim to be a patriot. I just hope Americans will wake up and smell the bull ——.

• 6. Menlo Bob  |  June 20th, 2008 at 12:39 am

  Orlando. I’m not a McCain supporter, however this Obama commercial takes the cake.. When McCain makes phony claims like Obama he would deserve the same treatment.

• 7. Pat Cunningham  |  June 20th, 2008 at 7:22 am

  Wade says “You cannot embrace the Nation Of Islam and claim to be a patriot.” Wade seems not to understand that Obama DOES NOT “embrace the Nation of Islam.” Wade also seems to be a racist himself, considering that he offered this comment on another post today: “If Obamma is elected President, Will it still be called the White House???” Yes, Wade, it will. And you’ll still be called an idiot.

• 8. Pat Cunningham  |  June 20th, 2008 at 7:40 am

  Bob: Are you saying Obama’s claims that he loves his country are “phony”? How do you know what’s in his heart? You’re the phony in this argument, Bob, claiming to be more patriotic than thou. And don’t deny that you’ve made such a claim. Anybody who impugns another person’s patriotism is claiming to be more patriotic. We hear this all the time from conservatives.

• 9. Menlp Bob  |  June 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

  I never made ANY claims about my patriotism–liar.

• 10. Pat Cunningham  |  June 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

  Bob: In comment No. 1 (above), you clearly impugned Obama’s patriotism. The inescapable implication of your having done so is that you consider yourself more patriotic than Obama. After all, one doesn’t criticize another person on points where one’s own record is no better. That would make no sense. Don’t you understand the implications of your own words? You think you love your country more than Obama does. If that’s not what you think, then why the hell are you questioning Obama’s patriotism?

• 11. Menlo Bob  |  June 20th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

  Yes, I impugned his patriotism and gave examples that forward that thought. You simply asserted that which is not in evidence. So why not give some examples of his patriotism to bolster your argument?

• 12. kaus  |  June 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

  Pat’s response will more than likely take a few days Menlo Bob…hard to find good material to back up his claims….unless Obama’s funding of Palestinian resistance would be considered patriotism.

• 13. Pat Cunningham  |  June 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  Well, Obama once said, “I really didn’t love America until I was deprived of her company.” No, wait a minute. It was McCain who said that. But if Obama HAD said that, or if his wife had said that, Kaus and Menlo Bob and every other pseudo-patriot in the country would be squawking like crazy. Kaus would be yelling something about “Marxism,” again without knowing what the word really means. Actually, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what McCain said, when you put it in context. Nor do I think Michelle Obama meant any disrespect to her country when she said what she said. Why would the spouse of a presidential candidate deliberately diss her own country? And why would every right-wing nitwit have a conniption fit over her awkward wording of what she said? Because they don’t have much else to hang their hats on. Yeah, It’s going to be a slaughter in November, boys. Remember where you heard it. Now, why don’t you two put away your crayons and go out and play and leave the discussion about politics to us grown-ups who don’t bother arguing over whose goosebumps are the biggest when the flag goes by? Oh, one more thing, Bob: You wanted “evidence” that Obama loves his country? Here it is: He says he does. That’s good enough for me. Now, where’s the evidence of your patriotism?

• 14. Millard Fillmore  |  June 20th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

  Just one problem, Pat. Last I checked, Menlo Bob wasn’t running for the highest office in the land. Barack Obama is. So that would tend to make Bob’s patriotism irrelevant. But I do find it interesting that you, a “strict constructionist” in your own writings, is now arguing about someone’s implications in theirs.

• 15. kaus  |  June 21st, 2008 at 8:20 am

  As long as Obama says he is patriotic…Pat believes him. Saying is not as important as doing….and you offer no examples. Zero. I will use my crayon to put one down for Menlo Bob, and 0 points for Pat.

• 16. Henry  |  June 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 am

  So Kaus, how long before the black helicopters appear after Obama’s inauguration?

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