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	<title>Comments on: Fie on Hillary and her pouting supporters</title>
	<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/</link>
	<description>Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce."</description>
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		<title>By: Q Jordon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3988</link>
		<author>Q Jordon</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is any consolation, Pat. Hillary has only been able to get ninety seven thousand five hundred and some odd dollars from Obama supporters to date. 

The knife cuts both ways in the supporter camps.

Some of the comments I read from Obama supporters range from them saying "they would not give a cent to that woman and her husband" to "I have a child in college, a mortgage, and energy cost are at an all time high. She thinks I have money to give to her campaign debt"?

I have to agree with the prevailing answer - Hillary brought a lot of debt onto herself by staying in this campaign longer than she needed. She could have bowed out and saved herself from the financial and emotional toll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is any consolation, Pat. Hillary has only been able to get ninety seven thousand five hundred and some odd dollars from Obama supporters to date. </p>
<p>The knife cuts both ways in the supporter camps.</p>
<p>Some of the comments I read from Obama supporters range from them saying &#8220;they would not give a cent to that woman and her husband&#8221; to &#8220;I have a child in college, a mortgage, and energy cost are at an all time high. She thinks I have money to give to her campaign debt&#8221;?</p>
<p>I have to agree with the prevailing answer - Hillary brought a lot of debt onto herself by staying in this campaign longer than she needed. She could have bowed out and saved herself from the financial and emotional toll.</p>
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		<title>By: Menlp Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3985</link>
		<author>Menlp Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3985</guid>
		<description>Early Colbert eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early Colbert eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3969</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3969</guid>
		<description>If I might belabor this radio thing, I'll tell you one funny story. Probably the best time I ever had on radio was when I pretended to have had an epiphany and had become a right-wing religious extremist.  I stayed in character for three hours,  arguing that religious and political tolerance were nonsense and were offensive to God.  Why, I asked, should we tolerate religious and political views we know to be wrong? For the good of mankind, why should we tolerate heresy? If we know the truth about God and godly morals, why should we allow others to spread beliefs that we know to be false?  I quoted the Bible at length and denounced the liberal interpretation of the First Amendment. Well, the phone board lit up like a Christmas tree.  I was even able to sell my phony sincerity to some callers who said I was pretending. One woman was in tears of joy at my miraculous conversion. I dueled impressively with people who called to argue against the philosophy I seemed to have adopted. I felt like Elmer Gantry. For a moment, I was almost intoxicated by the exercise.  It was Fun with a capital F.  At the end of the three hours, I dropped the veil and warned against such extremism.  I wish I had a tape of that show. Anyway, as I recall, the station got a few complaints about my cruel charade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I might belabor this radio thing, I&#8217;ll tell you one funny story. Probably the best time I ever had on radio was when I pretended to have had an epiphany and had become a right-wing religious extremist.  I stayed in character for three hours,  arguing that religious and political tolerance were nonsense and were offensive to God.  Why, I asked, should we tolerate religious and political views we know to be wrong? For the good of mankind, why should we tolerate heresy? If we know the truth about God and godly morals, why should we allow others to spread beliefs that we know to be false?  I quoted the Bible at length and denounced the liberal interpretation of the First Amendment. Well, the phone board lit up like a Christmas tree.  I was even able to sell my phony sincerity to some callers who said I was pretending. One woman was in tears of joy at my miraculous conversion. I dueled impressively with people who called to argue against the philosophy I seemed to have adopted. I felt like Elmer Gantry. For a moment, I was almost intoxicated by the exercise.  It was Fun with a capital F.  At the end of the three hours, I dropped the veil and warned against such extremism.  I wish I had a tape of that show. Anyway, as I recall, the station got a few complaints about my cruel charade.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3968</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3968</guid>
		<description>Bob: Actually, Limbaugh wasn't always on the same station. I can't recall that he was ever on 'ROK while I was there.  For a while in the '90s, he was on WNTA. And, for a while, my show went head-to-head with his -- and I beat him in the ratings.  At one time or another, I worked virtually every time-slot except for early mornings. But my ratings steadily went from so-so to not-so-good. Talk radio, with isolated exceptions, is a conservative medium. I was never really comfortable in radio -- mainly because I almost always had to work alone. It's tough monologuing for long periods when there are no callers.  But the relatively few times my show overlapped with Bruce Butler's were great, I thought.  We had a good chemistry and similar senses of humor. But I mostly worked alone and didn't like it.  When I got fired, I gladly went back to newspapering, which was a more natural fit. And I did some commentaries for several local TV stations. I even hosted a weekly talk show on WREX with panels of guests -- "Cunningham &#38; Company." That was kind of fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: Actually, Limbaugh wasn&#8217;t always on the same station. I can&#8217;t recall that he was ever on &#8216;ROK while I was there.  For a while in the &#8217;90s, he was on WNTA. And, for a while, my show went head-to-head with his &#8212; and I beat him in the ratings.  At one time or another, I worked virtually every time-slot except for early mornings. But my ratings steadily went from so-so to not-so-good. Talk radio, with isolated exceptions, is a conservative medium. I was never really comfortable in radio &#8212; mainly because I almost always had to work alone. It&#8217;s tough monologuing for long periods when there are no callers.  But the relatively few times my show overlapped with Bruce Butler&#8217;s were great, I thought.  We had a good chemistry and similar senses of humor. But I mostly worked alone and didn&#8217;t like it.  When I got fired, I gladly went back to newspapering, which was a more natural fit. And I did some commentaries for several local TV stations. I even hosted a weekly talk show on WREX with panels of guests &#8212; &#8220;Cunningham &amp; Company.&#8221; That was kind of fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Menlo Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3966</link>
		<author>Menlo Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3966</guid>
		<description>Lemme see...Rush gets a &lt;a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070108/content/01125114.guest.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;fat contract&lt;/a&gt; and you get canned for low ratings on the same station.  Have you considered taking up cigar smoking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme see&#8230;Rush gets a <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070108/content/01125114.guest.html" rel="nofollow">fat contract</a> and you get canned for low ratings on the same station.  Have you considered taking up cigar smoking?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3964</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3964</guid>
		<description>I never worked at WNTA. It was WROK. And I got canned for low ratings.  Good thing, as it turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never worked at WNTA. It was WROK. And I got canned for low ratings.  Good thing, as it turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3963</link>
		<author>Leatherneck</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3963</guid>
		<description>Oh, sorry- I thought that a journalist of your caliber would have known better. Regardless of whom you supoort, I guess I am surprised that you did not acknowledge that Mrs. Ferraro's point was a valid one indeed. It was four months ago, but you can change your opinion.

I suppose, there was just as much chance that Chris Dodd or John Edwards would have had 95% of Blacks on board and with just as much enthusiasm. And sure, turnout among Blacks will be increased 30% in the fall, but hey that would have happened anyway, right? Obama's ethnicity is just incidental, right? Blacks were just as excited about John Kerry, right?

I used to listen to you on WNTA every day; I respect your opinion, Pat. But don't tell me that Obama's race has not worked to his advantage or that it has not separated him from the pack. That is what Geraldine Ferraro was saying and any rational person could see that. But again, it was all taken out of context and Hillary made to look like the "bad guy".   Then we went on to the RFK remark, etc. Again, Obama's camp "re-interpreted" it and a few people actually bought this baloney.

He will win and I wish him well as I would any POTUS. The Blacks will feel like one they elected one of their own and I hope that Obama will be a role model and uplift the aspirations of the young Black males. (I want to see them to "go clean for Barack" and get haircuts and wear belts). And white liberals can feel good by voting for Obama and purging themselves of their white guilt. You feel "safer" voting for him than you would have Jesse Jackson or Shirley Chisholm. When Obama wins,  I hope, as you do...that  just maybe we can all turn the page on racist paranoia. Will the Civil Rights movement have come full circle??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry- I thought that a journalist of your caliber would have known better. Regardless of whom you supoort, I guess I am surprised that you did not acknowledge that Mrs. Ferraro&#8217;s point was a valid one indeed. It was four months ago, but you can change your opinion.</p>
<p>I suppose, there was just as much chance that Chris Dodd or John Edwards would have had 95% of Blacks on board and with just as much enthusiasm. And sure, turnout among Blacks will be increased 30% in the fall, but hey that would have happened anyway, right? Obama&#8217;s ethnicity is just incidental, right? Blacks were just as excited about John Kerry, right?</p>
<p>I used to listen to you on WNTA every day; I respect your opinion, Pat. But don&#8217;t tell me that Obama&#8217;s race has not worked to his advantage or that it has not separated him from the pack. That is what Geraldine Ferraro was saying and any rational person could see that. But again, it was all taken out of context and Hillary made to look like the &#8220;bad guy&#8221;.   Then we went on to the RFK remark, etc. Again, Obama&#8217;s camp &#8220;re-interpreted&#8221; it and a few people actually bought this baloney.</p>
<p>He will win and I wish him well as I would any POTUS. The Blacks will feel like one they elected one of their own and I hope that Obama will be a role model and uplift the aspirations of the young Black males. (I want to see them to &#8220;go clean for Barack&#8221; and get haircuts and wear belts). And white liberals can feel good by voting for Obama and purging themselves of their white guilt. You feel &#8220;safer&#8221; voting for him than you would have Jesse Jackson or Shirley Chisholm. When Obama wins,  I hope, as you do&#8230;that  just maybe we can all turn the page on racist paranoia. Will the Civil Rights movement have come full circle??</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3955</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3955</guid>
		<description>Leatherhead: You're full of crap when you write: "(Y)ou yourself agree that what Ferraro said was right on target." Four months ago today, I had this to say: http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/03/11/with-friends-like-geraldine-ferrraro-hillary-clinton-doesnt-need-enemies/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leatherhead: You&#8217;re full of crap when you write: &#8220;(Y)ou yourself agree that what Ferraro said was right on target.&#8221; Four months ago today, I had this to say: <a href="http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/03/11/with-friends-like-geraldine-ferrraro-hillary-clinton-doesnt-need-enemies/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/03/11/with-friends-like-geraldine-ferrraro-hillary-clinton-doesnt-need-enemies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3954</link>
		<author>Leatherneck</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3954</guid>
		<description>You should not have included the parenthetical statement about Geraldine Ferraro because you yourself agree that what Ferraro said was right on target. Not to rehash that, but come on now. If he were an ordinary Caucasian social worker, would he be where he is today, with 95% Black support and the nomination sealed up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should not have included the parenthetical statement about Geraldine Ferraro because you yourself agree that what Ferraro said was right on target. Not to rehash that, but come on now. If he were an ordinary Caucasian social worker, would he be where he is today, with 95% Black support and the nomination sealed up?</p>
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		<title>By: Menlo Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3951</link>
		<author>Menlo Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/07/11/fie-on-hillary-and-her-pouting-supporters/#comment-3951</guid>
		<description>Whiny supporters.  Rhymes with whiny reporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whiny supporters.  Rhymes with whiny reporters.</p>
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