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• 1. Ross Calloway  |  July 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

  Hi Pat, the open thread that you posted last Friday seems to be gone?

  I was hoping to see if anyone had an opinion about Obama the decoy.

  What happened to it?

• 2. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

  Sorry, Ross. I accidentally deleted that post. This was only the second time in seven months I’ve made that blunder. There were no replies to your comment.

• 3. Mike Carroll  |  July 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  Watching anything by Oliver Stone automatically makes one a member of the tinfoil hat club. I see that you already belong Pat but I choose to spend my time more wisely.
  BTW, the new liberal lion, Scotty boy McCellan (sp?) has recanted his comments regarding Bill O’Reilly that you posted the other day. You will no doubt be posting a correction momentarily.

• 4. Orlando Clay  |  July 29th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

  How will this film ultimately be classified? Comedy or tragedy?

• 5. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  Both.

• 6. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

  Mike: What makes you think I’m a big fan of Oliver Stone? I haven’t seen all of his films. Didn’t see “Natural Born Killers.” Didn’t see “Platoon.” Or “World Trade Center.” I saw “The Doors” and hated it. I Saw “JFK,” found it entertaining, but wildly implausible. I considered “Nixon” surprisingly sympathetic. “Wall Street” was entertaining. I thought “Born on the Fourth of July” was pretty good. The one Stone movie I really liked was “Salvador.” I can’t recall any others. As for McClellan, I’ll get right on that.

• 7. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  By the way, Mike. I bet you’re a big fan of “Expelled,” the documentary movie by actor/evolution-denier Ben Stein. You’re an evolution denier, aren’t you? Isn’t that part of the Republican creed? Which reminds me of the time I had occasion to visit a local religious school and saw a “science” book in the library that depicted people co-existing with dinosaurs. Isn’t that kind of “education” a form of child abuse? That’s what they teach at the clown colleges from which some of Bush’s appointees to the Justice Department graduated. You know, people like Monica Goodling. Michael, you can kid me all you want about the stereotypes of wacky leftists on my half of the ideological spectrum, but nothing beats the superstitious, anti-science wackos on the right.

• 8. Orlando Clay  |  July 29th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  “Scotty boy McCellan (sp?) has recanted his comments regarding Bill O’Reilly that you posted the other day. ”

  Gee whiz…Bush lies about WMDs…..Bush lies about the Plame leak….Sen. Ted Stevens (a Republican, by the way) is caught lying about renovations to his house…..and now Scott McClellan (if he did indeed recant his earlier statements). Tells me everything I need to know about ethics, credibility, and integrity within the GOP…..

• 9. Mike Carroll  |  July 29th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  Pat-never seen “Expelled”, don’t watch O’Reilly, believe in evolution and I don’t have a clue who Monica Goodling is. Sorry to ruin your stereotype.
  Let me ask you if a religious affiliation equates to a clown college. BYU, Notre Dame, Marquette?
  I see that Orlando belongs in “the stereotypes of wacky leftists on my half of the ideological spectrum”. Glad he’s on your team.

• 10. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

  I’m talking about Falwell’s and Robertson’s schools. Oral Roberts, Bob Jones, places like that where creationism and biblical inerrancy are taught. I don’t know about BYU, except for the Mormonism, which strikes me as anti-intellectual. As for Notre Dame and Marquette, you can get an excellent education at either school if you avoid all the orthodox theology stuff, which Pope Benedict, unfortunately, seems to be pushing at Catholic universities. Correct me if I’m wrong on that last point. I’m a religious skeptic and a free thinker (Is that redundant?), and any school that forbids or strongly discourages that kind of thing is not, in my opinion, a real university. By the way, Monica Goodling was an official at DOJ under Gonzales. She was notorious for politicizing the hiring of people in positions that were not supposed to be political. I don’t think she ever prosecuted a parking offense or ever saw the inside of a real courtroom, but she had influence on the process of choosing federal prosecutors and (if I’m right about this) also federal judges. She attended Messiah College and Robertson’s Regent Law School. Need I say more?

• 11. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

  One more thing, Mike. I knew you aren’t an evolution-denier. I just wanted to embarrass you about some of your political bedfellows, if I might use that term. I would never take that theme so far as to ask you whether you’ve ever been in the men’s room at the Minneapolis airport or gone out partying with David Vitter or had occasion to lobby that Foley fellow.

• 12. Menlo Bob  |  July 29th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  Or gone dress shopping with Barney Frank or diaper shopping with John Edwards.

• 13. Pat Cunningham  |  July 29th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

  Or double-dating with John McCain when he cheated on his first wife.

• 14. Menlo Bob  |  July 30th, 2008 at 12:34 am

  Yeah, why does he get a pass on that? The woman was severely injured in an auto accident while he was in Vietnam.

• 15. Pat Cunningham  |  July 30th, 2008 at 6:52 am

  He gets away with it because he’s Mr. Straight Talk and he gives donuts to reporters on his campaign bus. Or they give him donuts to show their affection. He calls the media “my base.” Actually, there have been obscure mentions in the media of McCain’s infidelities and of his gambling and drinking habits, but they’ve gained no widespread attention. Frankly, I don’t give a damn about stuff like that. I don’t care if a politician is servicing goats as long as he or she is not hypocritical about it (you know, like the guys who push “family values” in their rhetoric and then cheat on their spouses).

• 16. Mike Carroll  |  July 30th, 2008 at 8:30 am

  Pat-In answer to your question in #10 above, there is pressure from the Vatican on all Catholic Universities but it didn’t start with Benedict. It actually started with John Paul II. I don’t know enough about all Catholic Universities to comment universally but you know my ties to ND.
  Father John Jenkins, the new University president who succeeded Monk Malloy 3 years ago, has emphasized that Notre Dame is a Catholic University with an emphasis on both University (as a place to learn and explore new ideas) and Catholic (with all that the term implies). Neither has precedent over the other.
  It is a fine line that ND tries to navigate.The liberals all think that it is too Conservative and the Conservatives all think it is too liberal. That tells me they are getting it about right.

• 17. Mike Carroll  |  July 30th, 2008 at 8:34 am

  Pat-In answer to #11, no never had the occasion. I was too busy with Barney Frank, Eliot Spitzer, Kwame in Detroit and the new governor of New York.One can’t be everywhere.

• 18. equalityrkfd=  |  July 30th, 2008 at 9:49 am

  When did barney frank go shopping for a dress? What kind of bigoted remark is that? Just because he is gay he wears dresses? Where is the proof? Speaking of proof where is the proff about John Edwards?

• 19. Pat Cunningham  |  July 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am

  Yeah, I know of gay guys who are tough enough to beat the crap out of any homophobe would dare suggest that they wear dresses. Them dudes ain’t all sissies.

• 20. Mike Carroll  |  July 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

  equalityrkfd-Who said anything about Barney Frank shopping for a dress. I was referencing his own problem with a Congressional page and a prostitution ring, some years ago. In fairness to Franks, it never appeared that he knew anything about the prostitution ring that was run by the page.

• 21. equalityrkfd=  |  July 30th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  re #12

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