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Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don’t say you weren’t warned. By the way, this blog’s name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, “All politics is applesauce.”

It’s not plagiarism if you credit the source

August 24th, 2008 at 09:21am Pat Cunningham

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With Joe Biden’s emergence as the presumptive Democratic vice-presidential nominee, lots of media are dredging up the old fairy tale that the Delaware senator ruined his own White House bid of 20 years ago by frequently using a line from British Laborite Neil Kinnock (above) without giving him credit.

It’s a bum rap, as we see HERE.

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  • 1. Helen  |  August 24th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Good god, why does anyone run for public office. Let those who have never made a mistake throw the first stone.

  • 2. Pat Cunningham  |  August 24th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Unfortunately, Helen, it’s ever been thus. Back in the election season of 1800, Thomas Jefferson was branded an atheist and a coward. His opponent, John Adams, was called a tyrant and a criminal. Jefferson even hired a hatchet-man — a sort of Karl Rove of his time — to smear the Federalists. Imagine how those Founding Fathers would have acted if they had electronic media at their disposal. Yes, Helen, presidential politics is no parlor game.

  • 3. solo sam  |  August 24th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    So is it also a bum rap that that while a student at Syracuse Law School, Biden also plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote? Hmmmm.

    And lets be realistic, if it were the other way around you’d be all over it. How anyone can honestly support these clowns (obama or mccain) and claim they will be good for our country is laughable at best.

  • 4. Menlo Bob  |  August 24th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    You might want to also note that Biden’s use of the Kinnock speech came to light via the Dukakis campaign and was joined with other plagiarism charges and false statements made by Biden which ultimately lead to his dropping out of the presidential race.

  • 5. Orlando Clay  |  August 24th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Well, one thing’s for sure: Biden’s “Giuliani’s whole campaign is nothing more than a noun, verb, and 9/11″ zinger from the debates is Biden’s own intellectual property that, it could be argued, single-handedly derailed Rudy’s candidacy. Even almost daily appearances on Sean Hannity’s nightly propaganda fests and Fox News’ absurd “America’s Mayor” campaign couldn’t save his campaign from ultimate implosion. No doubt the GOP will be scared of him in the vice president debates.

  • 6. Pat Cunningham  |  August 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Sam: No, the Syracuse case is not a bum rap. But the Kinnock case is.

  • 7. Menlo Bob  |  August 24th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Sauce, your headline for this post is corrrect–It’s not plagiarism if you credit the source. Unfortunately for Biden, he didn’t credit the source when the Dukakis campaign taped his remarks, therefore the plagiarism charge sticks. Thanks for helping to make the case.

  • 8. Lawrence Gregory Clarkson  |  August 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    And I’m not sure “it wasn’t plaigarism in my speeches…only in my Law Review article” is exactly the message the Biden people want out there.

  • 9. Menlo Bob  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:37 am

    Because the owner of this blog has a habit of sourcing his claims to left-wing groups, we’ve learned to be very careful in accepting them at face value. With this post about Joe Biden’s plagiarism from Neil Kinnock is intended to convince readers that Biden hadn’t done anything serious. Now we learn that was wrong. As this post points out, Joe Biden’s behavior went so far as to make absurd claims about his own life and did so repeatedly. Joe Biden isn’t to be trusted with the truth, and neither is Pat Cunningham.

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