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	<description>Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce."</description>
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		<title>By: Echo4Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7411</link>
		<author>Echo4Charlie</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25.  But you didn't ignore me, because you respended.  So, your last comment was actually self defeatist.  Consider yourself consumed, digested, and cruising through my intestinal tract toward expulsion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25.  But you didn&#8217;t ignore me, because you respended.  So, your last comment was actually self defeatist.  Consider yourself consumed, digested, and cruising through my intestinal tract toward expulsion.</p>
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		<title>By: swamprat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7399</link>
		<author>swamprat</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24. But you can't do that if we ignore you like I am going to do.
 Don't feed the troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24. But you can&#8217;t do that if we ignore you like I am going to do.<br />
 Don&#8217;t feed the troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Echo4Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7395</link>
		<author>Echo4Charlie</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7395</guid>
		<description>That's right Swamprat.  And, trolls generally eat swamprats.

You're right.  This is a Republican conspiracy to plant a "troll" in a small midwest left-wing blogspace to create discord, and bring down the left-wing angenda.

That's the big agenda.  Swamprat figured us out!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right Swamprat.  And, trolls generally eat swamprats.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right.  This is a Republican conspiracy to plant a &#8220;troll&#8221; in a small midwest left-wing blogspace to create discord, and bring down the left-wing angenda.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the big agenda.  Swamprat figured us out!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: swamprat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7393</link>
		<author>swamprat</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7393</guid>
		<description>Pat. I see the Republicans have sent a troll to this blog. Don't feed the troll.</description>
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		<title>By: echo4charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7376</link>
		<author>echo4charlie</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7376</guid>
		<description>Which one?

Liberal, Left, Democrat, or Green Party?  They're all different these days, and not necessarily in agreement with each other.

That's, to me, like being a Bears/Packers/Lions/Colts fan.

Or, a Cubs/Sox/Cardinals/Twins fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which one?</p>
<p>Liberal, Left, Democrat, or Green Party?  They&#8217;re all different these days, and not necessarily in agreement with each other.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s, to me, like being a Bears/Packers/Lions/Colts fan.</p>
<p>Or, a Cubs/Sox/Cardinals/Twins fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7375</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading that just reinforces my liberal/left/Democrat/Green Party  leaning.</description>
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		<title>By: echo4charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7370</link>
		<author>echo4charlie</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7370</guid>
		<description>Wow, Pat, I really hit your button, didn't I.  

And Richard, well, you sound like things just haven't gone your way.  Sorry things are so bad for you, and you feel so angry.  and as for your religious demographic, well good for the atheists, then, I guess.  Why don't they have as high a divorce rate as the Baptists or Evangelicals.  Maybe more atheist couples are same-sex, and not yet able to legally marry in most places.  I don't know.

But, please, is President Bush really responsible for the Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac mess?  Are you sure he's the sole cause?  Because if you really think that, well, you're wrong.  I know, "But everyone is saying our current economic crisis is the result of 8 years of failed economic policy by this administration".  Is it, really. Look more deeply into that, and I'll bet you'll be surprised at what you really find.  

You'll be able to trace our current economic woes back to legislation that was pushed through by President Clinton.  And, don't forget to look at Speaker Pelosi, either, and many, many soon to be incarcerated members of our current congress.  I'm not saying everyone hasn't made mistakes that have helped us into our current economic woes, but, there is more blame to be placed that just to scapegoat it all on to President Bush.

Senator Obama has even directly benefitted from this situation, before it went south (and he also owes thanks to Mr. Rezco for all of the extra help).

We won't discuss Pseudo-Patriotism, because we both know that I am anything but Pseudo-Patriotic.  Although, you've never really defined what that means.  I think by your definition, it means not swinging past the left into liberal purgatory, where all wait for the next same-sex wedding to attend, gay pride parade, and next opportunity to take a partial birth aborted fetus to gather his stem cells befor we toss him into a plastic trash bag to be incinerated.

We've discussed my, as you termed it, laudible military service.  I've faced some awful things in securing yours, my, and all of our freedoms.  A Pseudo-Patriot wouldn't have faced the things that I have.  They would have marched in protest against it.  I let you push my button with that comment last time, so, nice try.  But, you won't be rid of me so easily this time..................

The proof is in the pudding, Mein Freund.  Did not Senator Obama "slip up" during a recent speech, and I'm sure you know the one, and profess "my (being Obama's) Muslim faith", befor recanting, and claiming to mean "my Christian faith"?

Was Selma (Alabama) the site of his mother's pregnancy, that culminated in his birth, as he has stated?  Because Selma (Alabama) happened in 1965.  Unless we are very, very misled, Senator Obama was born in 1961.  Maybe he and Al Gore, who created the Internet (remember?) were able to make a time machine and alter history.  Or, maybe his mom fudged with his birth records so he could be the oldest, and most mature in his class.  I don't know.

I didn't say, as you stated (or mis stated), that homeless people were the key to Senator Obama's electoral success.  But, it is a terrific misdirection of what was said.  I did say, though, that it will help him in his efforts to win the popular vote (which we participate in), I mean, hey, free TV dinners with a van ride!

But, as I also stated:  The popular vote does not appoint the president.  But, you know this.  

I am very impressed, though, with your fervent study of Iowa's homeless and minority status.  Wow.  I'd bet they would be thankful if they new an Illinois resident was studying the aforementioned demographic(s).  But, what does that matter? OK, I'll play along.  Iowa's electoral votes.  That double-digit lead could dwindle when a bunch of angry, and hungry, ACORN non-recipients don't receive their free TV Dinner/Van Ride.  We'll see when the popular vote arrives, and you may be right, I'll say that.  But when the electoral college registers their votes,  Senator Obama will report back to work, just in time for the holidays, and Senator McCain will prepare for inauguration.  Maybe not Iowa's, but when the electoral college releases the name of our next President, they will announce Senator McCain.

And, as for Michelle Obama, well, why else do you think Senator Obama's campaign put a gag on her mouth, threw a lampshade over her head, pushed her into a corner, hung jackets on her, and have asked her not to move or say anything until after the election?   He creates enough hurdles for himself, and Senator Biden, well, whoops.........

Word is, though, he's going to dump Senator Biden and try to take Senator Clinton on in the 11th hour.  We'll see.  She is much more suitable to be Vice President, and honestly, she should have been the Democratic Presidential Candidate.  And, if she were, she'd probably have this election in the bag.  And believe me, I'm no fan of her or her husband.

Back to Mrs. Obama, though, because she has no suppression between her incontinent mindset and the words that she says to the American people, she just says offensive, incontinent things, and does nothing but damage to her husband's campaign every time she speaks.  She is an educated idiot.  I know that this is insulting to say, but, she is.  And I'll go on record and say that although she hasn't (yet) formall declared herself as such, she has all of the attributes of a racist.  Senator Obama's campaign managers don't want her creating any more hurdles for her husband's (soon to be) failed presidential bid.

Have you read her (previously sealed at our Senator's request) thesis?  Wow................

Sometimes I cringe at what I sacrificed so much, and worked so hard to preserve (freedom) for some of these people.............

I agree, though, that Governor Palin needs to drop the cute "Aw Shucks" act, and get serious.  She's a smart woman, but, inexperienced.  She will make mistakes as Vice President.  And you, Mr. Cunningham, will be circling like a buzzard, using your infrared vulture vision just waiting for the smallest, most insignificant of slip ups, and, you'll inflate it into a national emergency.

As for Senator Biden, well, he's a poor used car salesman, but a great straight-faced liar.  He's been around a long time, and guys like him don't pull that off without stepping on necks, and knowing where the bodies are buried.  He's as slippery and two-faced as they come.

He's the only Pro-Choice Catholic that I know of..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Pat, I really hit your button, didn&#8217;t I.  </p>
<p>And Richard, well, you sound like things just haven&#8217;t gone your way.  Sorry things are so bad for you, and you feel so angry.  and as for your religious demographic, well good for the atheists, then, I guess.  Why don&#8217;t they have as high a divorce rate as the Baptists or Evangelicals.  Maybe more atheist couples are same-sex, and not yet able to legally marry in most places.  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>But, please, is President Bush really responsible for the Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac mess?  Are you sure he&#8217;s the sole cause?  Because if you really think that, well, you&#8217;re wrong.  I know, &#8220;But everyone is saying our current economic crisis is the result of 8 years of failed economic policy by this administration&#8221;.  Is it, really. Look more deeply into that, and I&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;ll be surprised at what you really find.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be able to trace our current economic woes back to legislation that was pushed through by President Clinton.  And, don&#8217;t forget to look at Speaker Pelosi, either, and many, many soon to be incarcerated members of our current congress.  I&#8217;m not saying everyone hasn&#8217;t made mistakes that have helped us into our current economic woes, but, there is more blame to be placed that just to scapegoat it all on to President Bush.</p>
<p>Senator Obama has even directly benefitted from this situation, before it went south (and he also owes thanks to Mr. Rezco for all of the extra help).</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t discuss Pseudo-Patriotism, because we both know that I am anything but Pseudo-Patriotic.  Although, you&#8217;ve never really defined what that means.  I think by your definition, it means not swinging past the left into liberal purgatory, where all wait for the next same-sex wedding to attend, gay pride parade, and next opportunity to take a partial birth aborted fetus to gather his stem cells befor we toss him into a plastic trash bag to be incinerated.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve discussed my, as you termed it, laudible military service.  I&#8217;ve faced some awful things in securing yours, my, and all of our freedoms.  A Pseudo-Patriot wouldn&#8217;t have faced the things that I have.  They would have marched in protest against it.  I let you push my button with that comment last time, so, nice try.  But, you won&#8217;t be rid of me so easily this time&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The proof is in the pudding, Mein Freund.  Did not Senator Obama &#8220;slip up&#8221; during a recent speech, and I&#8217;m sure you know the one, and profess &#8220;my (being Obama&#8217;s) Muslim faith&#8221;, befor recanting, and claiming to mean &#8220;my Christian faith&#8221;?</p>
<p>Was Selma (Alabama) the site of his mother&#8217;s pregnancy, that culminated in his birth, as he has stated?  Because Selma (Alabama) happened in 1965.  Unless we are very, very misled, Senator Obama was born in 1961.  Maybe he and Al Gore, who created the Internet (remember?) were able to make a time machine and alter history.  Or, maybe his mom fudged with his birth records so he could be the oldest, and most mature in his class.  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say, as you stated (or mis stated), that homeless people were the key to Senator Obama&#8217;s electoral success.  But, it is a terrific misdirection of what was said.  I did say, though, that it will help him in his efforts to win the popular vote (which we participate in), I mean, hey, free TV dinners with a van ride!</p>
<p>But, as I also stated:  The popular vote does not appoint the president.  But, you know this.  </p>
<p>I am very impressed, though, with your fervent study of Iowa&#8217;s homeless and minority status.  Wow.  I&#8217;d bet they would be thankful if they new an Illinois resident was studying the aforementioned demographic(s).  But, what does that matter? OK, I&#8217;ll play along.  Iowa&#8217;s electoral votes.  That double-digit lead could dwindle when a bunch of angry, and hungry, ACORN non-recipients don&#8217;t receive their free TV Dinner/Van Ride.  We&#8217;ll see when the popular vote arrives, and you may be right, I&#8217;ll say that.  But when the electoral college registers their votes,  Senator Obama will report back to work, just in time for the holidays, and Senator McCain will prepare for inauguration.  Maybe not Iowa&#8217;s, but when the electoral college releases the name of our next President, they will announce Senator McCain.</p>
<p>And, as for Michelle Obama, well, why else do you think Senator Obama&#8217;s campaign put a gag on her mouth, threw a lampshade over her head, pushed her into a corner, hung jackets on her, and have asked her not to move or say anything until after the election?   He creates enough hurdles for himself, and Senator Biden, well, whoops&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Word is, though, he&#8217;s going to dump Senator Biden and try to take Senator Clinton on in the 11th hour.  We&#8217;ll see.  She is much more suitable to be Vice President, and honestly, she should have been the Democratic Presidential Candidate.  And, if she were, she&#8217;d probably have this election in the bag.  And believe me, I&#8217;m no fan of her or her husband.</p>
<p>Back to Mrs. Obama, though, because she has no suppression between her incontinent mindset and the words that she says to the American people, she just says offensive, incontinent things, and does nothing but damage to her husband&#8217;s campaign every time she speaks.  She is an educated idiot.  I know that this is insulting to say, but, she is.  And I&#8217;ll go on record and say that although she hasn&#8217;t (yet) formall declared herself as such, she has all of the attributes of a racist.  Senator Obama&#8217;s campaign managers don&#8217;t want her creating any more hurdles for her husband&#8217;s (soon to be) failed presidential bid.</p>
<p>Have you read her (previously sealed at our Senator&#8217;s request) thesis?  Wow&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sometimes I cringe at what I sacrificed so much, and worked so hard to preserve (freedom) for some of these people&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree, though, that Governor Palin needs to drop the cute &#8220;Aw Shucks&#8221; act, and get serious.  She&#8217;s a smart woman, but, inexperienced.  She will make mistakes as Vice President.  And you, Mr. Cunningham, will be circling like a buzzard, using your infrared vulture vision just waiting for the smallest, most insignificant of slip ups, and, you&#8217;ll inflate it into a national emergency.</p>
<p>As for Senator Biden, well, he&#8217;s a poor used car salesman, but a great straight-faced liar.  He&#8217;s been around a long time, and guys like him don&#8217;t pull that off without stepping on necks, and knowing where the bodies are buried.  He&#8217;s as slippery and two-faced as they come.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the only Pro-Choice Catholic that I know of&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7364</link>
		<author>Richard</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our country will be secure and in good hand? you mean with the republicans? Really? Aren't we in this mess due to the Republicans? Its funny how you republicans think youre the solution when you're so obviously the problem. Republicans are bad for this country and bad for the world. More baptist evangelicals get divorced and go to jail than atheists and I'm sure they're all Republicans, So you have no morals and you have no political know how. If you did then maybe you wouldn't have voted for a president who had the banks as his biggest lobbyists as he pushed to make it harder for people to fight banks and gave banks unlimited power and deregulation. So called conservatives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our country will be secure and in good hand? you mean with the republicans? Really? Aren&#8217;t we in this mess due to the Republicans? Its funny how you republicans think youre the solution when you&#8217;re so obviously the problem. Republicans are bad for this country and bad for the world. More baptist evangelicals get divorced and go to jail than atheists and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re all Republicans, So you have no morals and you have no political know how. If you did then maybe you wouldn&#8217;t have voted for a president who had the banks as his biggest lobbyists as he pushed to make it harder for people to fight banks and gave banks unlimited power and deregulation. So called conservatives!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7363</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing, Charlie, if homeless people are the key to Obama's prospects for electoral success, as you so glibly suggest, how do you account for the fact that Obama currently enjoys a double-digit lead in Iowa, which has a relatively low homeless population and a relatively low minority population? And how do you account for the fact that Obama polls better than McCain among college graduates, who are far less likely to be homeless? You really don't much about pollitics, do you, Charlie? You're entitled to your own opinions, of course, but you're not entitled to your own facts. Too bad for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing, Charlie, if homeless people are the key to Obama&#8217;s prospects for electoral success, as you so glibly suggest, how do you account for the fact that Obama currently enjoys a double-digit lead in Iowa, which has a relatively low homeless population and a relatively low minority population? And how do you account for the fact that Obama polls better than McCain among college graduates, who are far less likely to be homeless? You really don&#8217;t much about pollitics, do you, Charlie? You&#8217;re entitled to your own opinions, of course, but you&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts. Too bad for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2008/10/02/post-debate-open-thread/#comment-7361</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, welcome back, Charlie, and thanks for predictably bringing along that right-wing crapola about Michelle Obama and her belated pride in America. Pay no attention to the fact that John McCain has said he didn't love America until he became a prisoner of war, as we see here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html

Frankly, Charlie, I'm surprised that Mike Carroll, for whom I have considerable respect, so admires someone who trafficks in such Limbaughesque pseudo-patriotism.

I expect you'll soon be telling us of your suspicion that Barack Obama is a Muslim. That would fit nicely with your ridiculous knock on his wife.

Such drivel would  be typical of one whose grasp of politics is no more intelligent than to suggest that Obama can win only with the votes of homeless people.

No wonder you thought Palin won the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, welcome back, Charlie, and thanks for predictably bringing along that right-wing crapola about Michelle Obama and her belated pride in America. Pay no attention to the fact that John McCain has said he didn&#8217;t love America until he became a prisoner of war, as we see here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html</a></p>
<p>Frankly, Charlie, I&#8217;m surprised that Mike Carroll, for whom I have considerable respect, so admires someone who trafficks in such Limbaughesque pseudo-patriotism.</p>
<p>I expect you&#8217;ll soon be telling us of your suspicion that Barack Obama is a Muslim. That would fit nicely with your ridiculous knock on his wife.</p>
<p>Such drivel would  be typical of one whose grasp of politics is no more intelligent than to suggest that Obama can win only with the votes of homeless people.</p>
<p>No wonder you thought Palin won the debate.</p>
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