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• 1. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 10:04 am

  The truth always comes out somewhere, somehow:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw

• 2. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 am

  McCain really did not have a choice. When the media went easy on him in the past it was not a problem. Now that media found themselves the messiah, who they treat with kid gloves. What choice is there.

• 3. Milton Waddams  |  October 7th, 2008 at 10:39 am

  Oh please… if you listen to the entire clip, they were talking about the many right wing talking heads that have called him a Muslim. The whole gaffe was created by Stephanopolis wrongly correcting him, right after which Obama clarified what he meant and showed Stephanopolis to be in the wrong. What Obama said what perfecting clear in context, he said that McCain had not called him a Muslim like Fox news and other Repub commentators.

  We as Americans deserve a better discourse than what is being fed to us in 10 second sound bites taken out of context. People like echo4charlie show their lack of patriotism, when they post crap like this that they know is false and continue the 10 second soundbite mentality that takes away from a real discourse on where OUR country is going. Yeah, I know you were in the military Charlie, but you need to consider what has happened to the news and to how people make VERY important decisions in this country based on 10 second soundbites taken out of context. We as Americans need to demand an intelligent discourse.

• 4. Pat Cunningham  |  October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 am

  Charlie: Please refrain from putting the same comment on five or six different posts. I’ve deleted the duplicates of your comment No. 1 (above).

• 5. Milton Waddams  |  October 7th, 2008 at 10:52 am

  To clarify, the 10 second soundbite mentality crap extends to both sides and many people. The problem is that the only way it will ever change is if we as Americans demand better. This is why I call it a lack of patriotism to continue it and not demand better.

• 6. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 11:15 am

  WILCO, Pat. Thanks for the “heads up”.

  Milton,

  He said what he said, and meant it (YouTube clip).

  His Christianity is linked to a very extreme radical (Jeremiah Wright), whom he denies agreement with and has seperated himself from (in the media), however, he had been a member of Wright’s congregation prior to his Presidential ambitions for around 20 years. Wright hasn’t changed his message in that time. He’s always been radically extreme. So, he couldn’t have disagreed too much with Wright’s radical views………

  I think he just found a pastor who’s message lined up as closely with his own beliefs as he could in consideration of his political ambitions. And then, disowned 20 years of congregationship when it became inconvenient to his pursuit of the Presidency of the United States of America.

  I do believe, and this is personal opionion, that Senator Obama is a “closet Muslim”, and discreetly practices the Muslim faith. And if that is his choice, well, America is all about freedom of religion. Even religions that vow to exterminate the Zionist infidels in preperation for the return of The 12th Imam (or Mahadi). But, he needs to be forthright about it.

  Religion is a personal situation, but, in a bid for the US Presidency (or any US office), everything is examined under a microscope. The truth will come out, and I stated my opinion.

  Islam is not exactly a religion of peace. You see, Mohammad received his revelations over a period of twenty-three years. His earliest writings preached compassion, tolerance, and forgiveness. As Mohammad grew in power, however, his revelations changed. They contained more hatred, intolerance, and violence. So the Koran contains very evident conflicting commands.

  According to Mark Gabriel in his book, Islam and Terrorism: What the Quran Really Teaches About Christianity, Violence and the Goals of the Islamic Jihad, Muslim scholars have figured out a way to handle the contradictions in the Koran. They’ve decided if two passages contradict each other, of which you’ll find many that do, the later passage is considered the “correct” one, and supersedes the prior. I have since confirmed this from other sources. However, any can argue this in circles all day long. And do.

  Muslim scholars explain the many contradictory passages in the Koran by saying that Allah corrected errors as He went along, so of course the later ones should be followed when they contradict earlier passages. Unfortunately, the later passages are the most violent and intolerant.

  According to Serge Trifkovic, PhD, the Koran says a Muslim must fight for Islam until the whole world submits to Allah. That is their wording: Submit. Voluntarily or by force. One of the meanings of Islam is peace. Another meaning is submission. If you submit to the will of Allah, you will have peace in your heart; if you get the whole world to submit to the will of Allah, you have peace in the world, according to the Koran.

  The only reason we don’t all know this already is that there are two groups who are actively promoting a positive impression of Islam. One group is made of genuinely good people who follow the commands to be tolerant and forgiving and peaceful. They want others to know the good things about Islam. They try to ignore or explain away the perfectly clear commands to “kill unbelievers wherever you find them.” (Read more about the Koran here.)

  According to Mark Gabriel, who was an Islamic scholar at the most respected Muslim University in Egypt, the other group who promotes a peaceful image of Islam is doing it for an entirely different reason. They are actively following the plan laid down in the Koran.

  Here’s the plan: First, where Muslims are a minority, they should build their numbers within the country by converting people (by preaching peace and tolerance) and having lots of babies. Then, as their numbers increase, they should start to prepare for an eventual overthrow of the government. And when the time is right, it is their duty as Muslims to rise up and establish an Islamic state. Yes, this is in the Koran. Also included are instructions for deceiving the unbelievers. So you will hear people who say “Islam is a religion of peace” who themselves are actively working toward the eventual violent takeover of a country.

  According to Gabriel, deceiving the enemy is recommended in the Koran. Who is the enemy, you ask? An enemy is defined as a non-Muslim, but especially the Western Zionists and supporters of Israel.

  How do Muslims manipulate the information we receive about Islam? In the book, The Two Faces of Islam: Saudi Fundamentalism and Its Role in Terrorism, Stephen Schwartz outlines what Saudi Arabia has done to control politics and the media in the United States. The Wahhabis (a sect of Islam that takes the Koran’s teachings literally) is an amazingly wealthy group in Saudi Arabia, and they have opened hundreds of mosques in the United States.

  They have also formed The Council On American-Islamic Relations, the American Muslim Council, the American Muslim Alliance, the Islamic Society of North America, and they have infiltrated and are exerting control over the Islamic Circle of North America, the Islamic Association for Palestine, and the Muslim Students Association. These are powerful lobbying and public relations organizations, providing speakers at rallies, providing “expert commentary” for the media, distributing literature, holding rallies, and influencing American politics.

  These organizations influence what information makes it to the airwaves in the United States because they have established themselves with the media as “the voice of Islam in America.” They are extremely well-funded by rich Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia. And they are well-organized, fully maximizing the freedom of speech and religion we enjoy in the free world. And they are taking advantage of the fact that most Westerners know almost nothing about Islam.

  They are infiltrating and influencing everywhere they can. They have the money and manpower and they are effective as long as we don’t know what’s going on.

  This is why Senator Obama has not, in my opinion, been forthright about the Muslim faith that I suspect him to practice and follow to the letter (discreetly). That is what I believe to be the “Obama Brand”. This is opinion, but I think not poorly placed.

  I hope that I am wrong. We’ll see.

• 7. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am

  Milton: A intelligent discourse would include presenting the facts concerning McCain’s trying to rein in Freddie and Fannie. The fact remains that several democratic senators publicly stated that Freddie and Fannie were in good shape. Why not release his records from Harvard and Columbia? Why not go to court and shut up the Berg character concerning the birth certificate. Send a lawyer with an authentic certificate, case closed. How about that Obama was second on the list of donations from Freddie and Fannie. How do you give tax breaks to people who don’t pay taxes?

• 8. Pat Cunningham  |  October 7th, 2008 at 11:56 am

  Charlie: Speaking of scripture, how do Christians and Jews explain away this lovely little passage from Deuteronomy?:

  “If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you
  or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone
  him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God.”

• 9. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  Pat: I can tell you as a Christian. We had the New Testament. We also a reformation. Muslims have not had any sort of reformation. This is why they live in a backwards culture and treat women like property. Also, I don’t know of many Jewish people carry out this type of justice. Most of the genocide in the world right now is being carried out by Muslims. I know this is something they don’t report in newspaper of record the huffington post.

• 10. Milton Waddams  |  October 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

  Dingdong: The bill you are trotting out (Senate bill 190), was brought forth by Chuck Hagel and co-sponsored by Elizabeth Dole and John Sununu in January 2005. John McCain didn’t sign on as a co-sponsor until 16 months later in May of 2006. By that time the bill was already dead in committee, a committee with an 11 to 9 Republican majority I might add. So there you go, I have presented the facts.

• 11. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

  You need to read the whole passage (Deuteronomy), as it is instruction from God to the Israelites with respect to false prophets (Mohammed among them?) who shall, as prophesied, arise in attempt to lead God’s chosen people, the Israelites, not the Arabs (descended from Ishmael; the father of the Arab nations) astray.

  See Genesis for explanation:

  7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”
  “I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

  9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count.”

  11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
  “You are now with child
  and you will have a son.
  You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
  for the LORD has heard of your misery.

  12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
  his hand will be against everyone
  and everyone’s hand against him,
  and he will live in hostility
  toward [b] all his brothers.”

  Now, the entire passage from Deuteronomy:

  1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

  2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

  3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

  4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

  5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

  6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

  7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

  8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

  9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

  10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

  11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

  12If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

  13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

  14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

  15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

  16And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

  17And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

  18When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

• 12. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  You see, it is calling out not to war against others, but in original defense against furthered worship of false gods by the one, true God’s chosen people, the Israelites (Jews).

• 13. Pat Cunningham  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

  DingDong: Just out of curiosity, what reformation are you referring to?

• 14. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

  Milton: I saw that also on various websites. But is funny that all the people that you list are republicans. Do we need to review all the democrats that said the Freddie and Fannie were in great shape. The bill was not dead until July 2006. McCain was not even on the Banking Committee. He at least tried which more than I can say for the rest of them. Also McCain co-sponsored another bill in 2003. So don’t give me the BS.

  http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s108-1508

• 15. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

  Pat: the one in the sixteenth century.

• 16. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

  It is getting good, Obama’s old friends from ACORN.
  http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

• 17. Pat Cunningham  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

  DingDong: What makes you think the ACORN stuff to which you linked is going to have the slightest effect on Obama’s campaign?

• 18. DingDong  |  October 7th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  Maybe none but it is fun fodder. Just goes to show the type of people he likes to associate.

• 19. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  I’m w/ Ding Dong.

  There is an old saying:

  “You are what you eat, and the company you keep”.

  Senator Obama keeps some very questionably radical company.

  Why keep in continued league with these people if that isn’t who he is, or what he represents?

• 20. echo4charlie  |  October 7th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  Check out the Muslim Americans for Obama website.

  That is certainly interesting………………………..

• 21. DingDong  |  October 8th, 2008 at 10:02 am

  This just hit me. Maybe we can have Jimmy Carter certify the election like he did in Chavez. Then we will know it was fair election.

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