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• 1. Juice  |  October 29th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

  How stupid can people be to vote for this class-warefare, white-bashing, do-nothing, money-redistributing empty suit. Why do people feel so entitled to mooch off people that have achieved the American dream? I have no respect for anyone that would stoop so low. How can people look themselves in the mirror and not immediately snap out this Kool-aid coma?

• 2. swamprat  |  October 29th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

  Juice. You must have been watching a different speech. I didn\’t see that part. I saw a very good presentation. Too bad John McCain doesn’t have as much class!!

• 3. Pat Cunningham  |  October 29th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

  Juice thinks his whiteness is being bashed. He’s been listening to Limbaugh again. The two of them, worried about their whiteness under a president who’s only half white. In a weird, indirect way, it’s kind of like the end of “Gone With the Wind,” ain’t it?

• 4. SpeckleMe  |  October 29th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  Oh my gosh, a full 30 minutes and not one slam against McCain or Palin. What class! Can’t wait to vote next Tuesday.

• 5. SpeckleMe  |  October 29th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

  Come on, don’t take Juice seriously. How can you when the post starts out with how stupid can people be and then goes on to say WAREFARE!

• 6. Bryan  |  October 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

  http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm

• 7. PeterGunn  |  October 29th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

  One inspires hope, Change for a better future and inclusiveness for all Americans

  The other creates division, fear and a gloomy continuation of the present for all but the elitist he represents

  It’s really THAT simple, Pick one.

  Vote Tuesday Nov. 4th. for the one that
  inspires YOU.

• 8. Mike Carroll  |  October 30th, 2008 at 8:29 am

  Gosh darn, I missed it last night and I’m at work today (being one of those, soon to be in the minority, who are pulling the wagon rather than riding in it) so I doubt that I’ll have the 30 minutes to spare. I am curious however. Were Unicorns truly frolicking in flower strewn meadows?

• 9. SpeckleMe  |  October 30th, 2008 at 8:38 am

  …Rush Limbaugh didn’t support McCain during the Republican primaries because he wasn’t “right-wing” enough. That should tell you something. ..

  People take RL seriously? LOL

• 10. DingDong  |  October 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am

  Swamprat: you must be a used care salesman’s dream. As I can see you only care out what Obama says and nothing about what he has done or the people he has associated himself. Pat, Obama is the one who has brought up race time and time again. Obama has repeatedly associated with people who hate America and what it stands for. Ayers does not like America. Wright does not like America, Khalidis does not like America. Davis does not like America. I am a little unsure if Obamas wife likes America. What I saw was a pep rally. Wright and Davis for sure are racists, his wife, from reading her thesis, probably a good bet. Obama sat in a church for 20 years and listened to the racists and black liberation theology. Davis was a mentor to Obama. We are just starting to learn about Khalidis. These are not casual acquaintances. It causes alarm about Obama’s own opinions about race.

  I am unsure of some things with McCain but for certain I know he loves his country and is willing to do anything for it.

• 11. snuss  |  October 30th, 2008 at 10:19 am

  From page 3, of today’s RR-Star:

  AP FACT CHECK: Obama “Infomercial” Avoids Budget Realities

  Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
  Obama’s assertion that “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond” the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by “eliminating programs that don’t work” masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
  .
  A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn’t tell them:
  THE SPIN: “That’s why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year.”

  THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it’s not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

  THE SPIN: “I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care.”

  THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: “I want to start doing something about it.” He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

  THE SPIN: “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”

  THE FACTS: Independent analysts say Obama would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims will come from some unspecified “spending cuts“. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.” The analysis goes on to say: “Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.”

  THE SPIN: “Here’s what I’ll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we’ll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. “

  THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial – that: “The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals.”

  Can you believe it? SOME in the MSM are actually reporting Obama’s false promises for what they are. Is this a sign of the Apocalypse?

• 12. echo4charlie  |  October 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

  Again, he’s saying “every working family making less than $200,000 a year”. Before it was “every working family making less than $250,000 a year”, and then became “every individual making less than $ 200,000 a year, and every working family making less than $250,000 a year”.

  Until Joe Biden said “anybody making less than $150,000 a year”.

  They aren’t even clear on their own tax plan. Obama doesn’t even clarify his own tax plan.

  If someone asks a question that puts their feet to the fire, the roll up like a pill bug and declare moratorium on interviews with that outlet (without ever answering the question). Look at the background investigation/smear that “Joe the Plumber” underwent, after asking a simple question, in want of a straight answer (which agitated Obama, by the way).

  If we can’t hold his feet to the fire and get honest answers from this man who wants to be elected the leader of the free world, while he is still a candidate, what kind of accountability will he hold to us as President.

  Say what you want about George Bush, but he’s taken everything with class. The true and untrue.

  What will happen to our national security under a 60% Democratic Congress that brings an early end to our work in Iraq and Afghanistan?

  What about our war on terror? Are we going to meet with leaders of radical nations with no preconditions, and expect them to follow Obama to his own peace plan? Even though people like the Iranian leaders are radical (Islamic) Jihadists?

  Let us not forget that during his military tribunal at Gitmo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM)– al Qaeda’s chief of external operations until he was captured in Pakistan – admitted that he was not only responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He also the mastermind of “second wave” attacks and other mega-attacks in the United States, Israel and around the globe.

  In a written statement given to interrogators, KSM went on to confess no fewer than thirty-one separate terrorist attacks. Some had already been carried out, while others were foiled by U.S. and foreign security forces. Also helping to foil these terror plots was the fact that KSM had been arrested. Each provided a sobering insight into what Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network really want.

  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted that:

  1. He was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center Operation.

  2. He was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z.

  3. He decapitated with his “blessed right hand” the head of the American Jew, Daniel Pearl….

  4. He was responsible for the Shoe Bomber Operation to down two American airplanes.

  5. He was responsible for the Filka Island Operation in Kuwait that killed two American soldiers.

  6. He was responsible for the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, which was frequented by British and Australian nationals.

  7. He was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing the New (or Second) Wave attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11:

  a. Library Tower, California

  b. Sears Tower, Chicago

  c. Plaza Bank, Washington State

  d. The Empire State Building, New York City

  8. He was responsible for planning, financing & follow-up Operations to destroy American military vessels and oil tankers in the Straights of Hormuz, the Straights of Gibraltar, and the Port of Singapore.

  9. He was responsible for the planning, training, surveying, and financing for the Operation to bomb and destroy the Panama Canal.

  10. He was responsible for the planning, training, surveying, and financing for the assassination of several former American Presidents, including President Carter.

  11. He was responsible for the planning, training, surveying, and financing for the bombing of suspension bridges in New York.

  12. He was responsible for planning to destroy the Sears Tower by burning a few fuel or oil tanker trucks beneath it or around it.

  13. He was responsible for the planning, surveying, and financing for the Operation to destroy Heathrow Airport, the Canary Wharf Building, and Big Ben on British soil.

  14. He was responsible for the planning, surveying, and financing for the destruction of many night clubs frequented by American and British citizens on Thailand soil.

  15. He was responsible for the surveying and financing for the destruction of the New York Stock Exchange and other financial targets after 9/11.

  16. He was responsible for the planning, financing and surveying for the destruction of buildings in the Israeli city of Eilat by using airplanes leaving from Saudi Arabia.

  17. He was responsible for the planning, surveying, and financing for the destruction of American embassies in Indonesia, Australia and Japan.

  18. He was responsible for the surveying and financing for the destruction of the Israeli embassy in India, Azerbaijan, the Philippines and Australia.

  19. He was responsible for the surveying and financing for the destruction of an Israeli ‘El-Al’ Airlines flight on Thailand soil departing from Bangkok Airport.

  20. He was responsible for sending several Mujahadeen into Israel to conduct surveillance to hit several strategic targets deep in Israel.

  21. He was responsible for the bombing of the hotel in Mombasa that is frequented by Jewish travelers via El-Al airlines.

  22. He was responsible for launching a Russian-made SA-7 surface-to-air missile on El-Al or other Jewish airliner departing from Mombasa.

  23. He was responsible for planning and surveying to hit American targets in South Korea, such as American military bases and a few night clubs frequented by American soldiers.

  24. He was responsible for providing financial support to hit American, Jewish and British targets in Turkey.

  25. He was responsible for surveillance needed to hit nuclear power plants that generate electricity in several U.S. states.

  26. He was responsible for planning, surveying, and financing to hit NATO headquarters in Europe.

  27. He was responsible for the planning and surveying needed to execute the Boijinka Operation, which was designed to down twelve American airplanes full of passengers. He personally monitored a round-trip, Manila-to-Seoul, Pan Am flight.

  28. He was responsible for the assassination attempt against President Clinton during his visit to the Philippines in 1994 (1995?).

  29. He shared responsibility for the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul the second while he was visiting the Philippines.

  30. He was responsible for the training and financing for the assassination of Pakistan’s President Musharraf.

  31. He was responsible for the attempt to destroy an American oil company owned by the Jewish former Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, on the Island of Sumatra, Indonesia.

  As horrifying as these operations were, however, they pale in comparison to what al Qaeda has been praying and planning for over the last decade (at least): acquiring weapons of mass destruction, ideally nuclear weapons, to be used against the United States in want to, by their own admission, kill between four and ten million Americans.

  Asked in 1998, for example, if al-Qaeda had nuclear or chemical weapons, bin Laden told Time magazine that “acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a religious duty. If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank God for enabling me to do so.” The timing of that statement was significant, for 1998 was the year that Pakistan tested nuclear weapons.

  Since then, many more disturbing details have emerged about bin Laden’s feverish hunt for WMD and his deep-rooted belief that Allah has commanded him to use them to kill Christians and Jews. In the summer of 2002, Suleiman Abu Ghaith, a Kuwaiti-born spokesman for al Qaeda posted the following statement on the internet: “Al-Qa’ida has the right to kill four million Americans, including one million children, displace double that figure, and injure and cripple hundreds of thousands.”

  In May 2003, al-Qaeda unveiled a fatwa or religious ruling from a leading Saudi cleric that sanctioned the use of nuclear weapons against the U.S. and permitted the killing of up to ten million Americans.

  “By some estimates, there is enough highly enriched uranium in global stockpiles to construct thousands of nuclear weapons, and it is safe to assume that there are many individuals who would not think twice about using such weapons.” FBI Director Robert Muller told a conference on nuclear terrorism in 2007. “The economics of supply and demand dictate that someone, somewhere, will provide nuclear material to the highest bidder, and that material will end up in the hands of terrorists. Al Qaeda has demonstrated a clear intent to acquire weapons of mass destruction. In 1993, Osama bin Laden attempted to buy uranium from a source in the Sudan. He has stated that it is Al Qaeda’s duty to acquire weapons of mass destruction. And he has made repeated recruiting pitches for experts in chemistry, physics, and explosives to join his terrorist movement.”

  Former CIA Director George Tenet was skeptical, at first, about how seriously to take bin Laden’s WMD threats. But over time, he became a believer. He is now absolutely convinced that bin Laden’s top priority is to acquire nuclear weapons and detonate them inside the United States. He stated: “Of all al-Qa’ida’s efforts to obtain other forms of WMD, the main threat is the nuclear one. I am convinced that this is where [bin Laden] and his operatives desperately want to go. They understand that bombings by cars, trucks, trains, and planes will get them some headlines, to be sure. But if they manage to set off a mushroom cloud, they will make history. Such an event would place al-Qa’ida on a par with the superpowers and make good on Bin Ladin’s threat to destroy our economy and bring death into every American household. Even in the darkest days of the cold war, we could count on the fact that the Soviets, just like us, wanted to live. Not so with the terrorists. Al-Qaida boasts that while we fear death, they embrace it.”

  I’ll never forget the evil done to us seven years ago. I’ll never get fogged about the evil that will be done to us if we get distracted and confused. And I think Obama is distracted and confused. Ignorant as to the enemy we are facing, and what it takes to engage them, and keep them engaged, so that they don’t have the chance to attack our soil again. He better have great advisors, because, if he becomes president, he’ll need them.

  By Joe Biden’s own admission, he WILL be tested within his first six months in office. This is a guy with a lot of national security experience, and no dummy. They know what they will get from McCain, but they’ve listened to Obama’s rhetoric, and they are not stupid.

  This isn’t Karl Rove-style fearmongering. This is the world that we all live in today. There are a lot of things that Americans don’t, and don’t want to, know are happening in our world today. We live in a safe, cozy shell, unaware.

  There is a reason that we haven’t had another homeland attack in seven years, and it isn’t luck. I heard nothing that convinced me that he’s ready for the presidency. I heard a lot of lip service, but, nothing else.

• 13. Pat Cunningham  |  October 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

  Charlie: You’re getting a little wordy, aren’t you? Why not just use a link to the site where you get this stuff?

• 14. echo4charlie  |  October 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

  There was a lot to say.

• 15. Mike Carroll  |  October 30th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  Daniel Henninger of the WSJ on the true meaning of this “historic vote”.
  An excellent read.
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533132337982833.html

• 16. echo4charlie  |  October 30th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  That was a great article, Mike.

• 17. bannernews  |  October 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

  George Tenet, George Tenet? You mean the man in charge at the CIA before - during and after 9/11.

  You mean “SLAM DUNK ‘ Tenet.

  The guy who couldn’t find his ass with both hands Tenet.

  He’s reliable all of a sudden.

  Just out in time for Halloween. Boogey Man II

• 18. Milton Waddams  |  October 30th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

  Might want to leave well enough alone with Khalidi there Dingdong… your boy gave him $450k in 1998. Here’s a link .

• 19. Pat Cunningham  |  October 30th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

  Mike Carroll: Henninger’s essay in the WSJ is silly, mainly because it’s based on historical myths. The guy has seen too many movies. He seems to buy the fiction that the American West was settled by rugged individualists who disdained government interference and wanted only to practice unfettered capitalism. It’s all poppycock. The truth is that the West was settled by people who depended upon government at virtually every turn — welfare recipients, as it were. It was share-the-wealth government that made settlement of the West possible as a result of massive land purchases and giveaways, the Homestead Act, the Pony Express, agricultural colleges, rural electrification, taxpayer-subsidized railroads, telephone wiring, road-building, irrigation, dam-building, farm subsidies, and farm foreclosure loans. And let’s not forget the role of the federal government in screwing the Indians for the benefit of the white settlers.

  Henninger’s laudatory mention of Ronald Reagan is especially fitting — a Hollywood creature who rose to fame by role-playing in a make-believe world. It’s all of a piece with the point I’ve made here before about Republican worship of John Wayne, the make-believe war hero and make-believe cowboy. Republicans love myths, which is why so many of them disdain science. Generally, they’re more likely to embrace creationism over evolution and more likely to dismiss global warming as part of an un-American plot hatched by wimps and tree-hugging hippies.
  I’m betting that Henninger drives a big tricked-out SUV, which comes in handy if ever has to do any rugged off-road motoring on his way to the office or the mall. A man’s gotta be a man. He’s gotta be a rugged individualist and hates it when anybody points out that he, too, depends on government for his economic survival.

• 20. echo4charlie  |  October 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

  Yes, that George Tenet. The one who learned, as we all did, the hard way. That experience was a great teacher, indeed. Wish it never happened, but, since it did, let’s not make the same mistake again.

• 21. bannernews  |  October 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

  Charlie:

  That’s exactly the problem. He didn’t learn. What did he learn from the 93 bombing of the Trade Center. What did he learn about the enemy, their tactics, their imagination, their suicidal devotion. What did he prepare for? Did he know who the enemy was? Hopefully he now understands.

  What does the War in Irag have to do with trying to bring Osama and the Sunni terrorist of Saudi Arabia into range of our snipers.
  We’re draining off blood and treasure beating up a bunch of Shia thugs. What will we really win?

  Our war needs to be fought like the Mossad took care of its problem after Munich. Not by charging all over the world for all the wrong reasons blowing holes in the sand. That is where McCain is wrong. His thinking is for the wrong enemy and the wrong war.

• 22. Mike Carroll  |  October 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

  Pat-Is it possible for you to go a week without bringing up John Wayne? Your focus on him is beginning to seem a bit, well, strange.He has absolutely no connection to anything that Henninger was writing about but , if you can’t dispute it, I suppose it is just easier to try to change the topic.
  BTW, as far as myths are concerned, a comprehensive study from Baylor University “What Americans Really Believe”,found that the less religious and more secular one is the more likely one is to believe in the paranormal and pseudoscience.
  Let me know when you find Bigfoot.

• 23. Pat Cunningham  |  October 31st, 2008 at 8:03 am

  Mike: OK, I’ll give the Duke a rest. But what about the myth about the settling of the West, which does have something to do with what Henninger was writing?

• 24. PeterGunn  |  October 31st, 2008 at 9:14 am

  Warning-Warning-Warning-Warning

  A certain contributor (?) here
  (And Everywhere Else)
  is currently exhibiting classic signs of Head Explosion Syndrome or H.E.S

  Many scientist have proposed the thought that the most sure and reliable method for predicting Head Explosion Syndrome, (HES), Is an Avalanche of Words type posting.

  A blubbering babbling torrent of nonsensical rhetoric which by all accounts simply consist of
  The, “Sky is Falling“ ,
  The, “ Oh My God , We’re all going to die”,

  The, Whimpering, Whining, feeling sorry for yourself standard type Head Explosions .

  Steer Clear, Flying Bone Head chunks could cause serious injury or Death

  (Yea, Even without the presence of any gray matter)

• 25. echo4charlie  |  October 31st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

  Thanks for the warning, PeterGunn.

  For all of our safety, we’ll keep our distance while you undergo your forecast Head Explosion Syndrome, and the flying bone head chunks have cleared.

  That was really a humanitarian thing to do, put all of our safety first.

  Thank you.

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