Dem dude poses challenge to Repubs that reflects question raised by Applesauce

 It was only yesterday morning that yours truly posed the question HERE as to why Republicans, if they’re so opposed to government-run health care, don’t move to repeal Medicare.

 Well, now they’ve got a chance to do just that, thanks to U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner, a New York Democrat:


 UPDATE: It turns out that the GOP hypocrites have REFUSED to put their votes where their rhetoric is.

 Are they embarrassed by this? C’mon. We’re talking about conservative Republicans. Nothing embarrasses them.



  1. Monkey

    Great stuff. If you watch the WHOLE 5 minute speech, you’ll see that he makes some great points in a well-explained, easy to understand manner. Bottom line: no, Medicare is not perfect, as the Congressman says, but it works pretty darn well. The Repubs are resorting to fear, as usual, to try to derail any real reform and they’re doing it to protect the giant insurance companies that are worried about losing their billions in profits.

    Ask most people who are on Medicare if they like it and you’ll find that they do. If we could come up with a similar plan to cover more Americans, that would be progress.

  2. Neftali

    Monkey – \"Works pretty darn well???\" Sure, if you like escalating deficits and ultimately driving down the value of the dollar down so everything is more expensive, Medicare works real well at that.

  3. Neftali: So why don’t your gutless Republican heroes try to repeal Medicare? Oh, I know why. It’s because the public likes Medicare. As my friend Nate Silver noted just the other day:

    “Medicare is one of the most popular ‘government intrusions’ in the United States. About 60 percent of people participating in Medicare rate their coverage as a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale (versus 36-40 percent for private insurance), and 84 percent rate it as a 7 out of 10 or higher. In the most recent Kaiser Foundation tracking poll, moreover, 77 percent of Americans would like to see Medicare expanded to people aged 55 and older. Questions that refer to the public option as a ‘Medicare-like’ program usually receive higher scores than those that don’t. Questions that refer to single-payer as ‘Medicare-for-all’ usually receive plurality or majority support: 58 percent, for instance, in the Kaiser poll.”

  4. Neftali

    Get real, Pat. The system is already in place. Repealing it would cost a fortune. That’s why its so important to stop this virus before it spreads further.

    However, the current fiscal problems that medicare creates would grow in colossal sized proportions if spread to include everyone.

    And public opinion polls do little here to help your argument. Many people would love free health insurance if they didn’t have to pay for it. Just let the government debt grow.

    But that’s why we a have a government. To do the right thing.

    Looks like the Republicans are trying to do the right thing, too bad the liberals probably won’t listen their proposal.


  5. Pat what would you do with out your social security and medicare????

  6. Roger: Why don’t you pose that question to Republican senior citizens? They’re members of a party that opposed Social Security and Medicare from the get-go. As for me, without those programs, I would naturally have less money. Couldn’t you figure that out on your own? It’s a stupid question, Roger.

  7. Pat I asked you a simple question and you could not answer it with out being a smart ass.

    So is this the typical liberal response.

    The only thing stupid Pat is your response

  8. Let’s review the situation: 1) You asked me what I’d do without Medicare or Social Security. 2) I said you should ask that of Republican senior citizens, considering their party’s stance on those programs. 3) I said without those programs, I would have less money, which is the only logical answer, which makes the question stupid. What did you expect I would do without those programs? Kill myself? Move to Europe? Kill myself in Europe? Kill somebody here and flee to Europe. Kill a European? (Sorry, the mushrooms kicked in while I was writing that.)

    Anyway, don’t be so offended. If memory serves, you can give as well as you get, in terms of snarky comments.

    Just be glad you’re not mike. I’ve roughed him up pretty good over the past two days. But then, he was peddling patent falsehoods. You only asked a stupid question. So, right now, you’re ahead of mike in the Applesauce scoring chart. (Talk about damning with faint praise.)

  9. Orlando Clay

    From Neftali’s link to The Huffington Post: “Republicans say their plan is fully paid for, but it hasn’t been assessed yet by the Congressional Budget Office, the official scorekeeper for the costs of legislation.”

    “Republicans say their plan is fully paid for…..” Oh, boy. That statement alone is enough to set off the alarms. Didn’t we hear that same song-and-dance routine prior to Bush’s spectacularly failed “cakewalk” into Iraq? Wasn’t it the GOP who said the war would cost no more than a few billion, with the bulk of it being paid for with oil revenues?

  10. Pat says. Kill myself? Move to Europe? all would be a good idea

  11. Roger: You mean BOTH would be a good idea. The word “all” applies to three or more. “Both” applies to just two (as in 1) kill myself, and 2) move to Europe).

    Now, sit up straight, take that gum out of your mouth and keep quiet.

  12. Pat, how come you didn’t post the debate on the amendment that would require federal elected officials to join the “public option” plan proposed by HR 3200? Interesting that was defeated. If the public option is so great, why didn’t the Democratic Members of the Energy and Commerce Committee vote to join it?

  13. Leprechaun

    Pat – Your argument that Medicare is a “Popular” program is ridiculous. It is an entitlement argument. Medicare is going bankrupt and the estimates keep getting shorter and shorter as to when it will happen. Just because you like it, doesn’t mean it is a viable option. It is the same mentality that the US car companies and their unions have held for 20 years. How’s it working out for those people these days? We all love free stuff, but as you know there is no free lunch that is sustainable. If you keep pushing for programs you like, but are not viable, your daughter will be the one paying for it tenfold in the future. I am not good with that as far as my kids are concerned, Are you? All Dem and Repub stuff aside, what is best for our kids? The burden of proof for this plan being viable are up to those writing the legislation and they are not doing a very good job of convincing anyone that this is the way to go. This is way too important to rush through the system and basing your argument on a failing program such as Medicare is just plain silly.

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