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• 1. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

  youtube now thats a reliable sourse

• 2. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

  I watched the whole thing, very interesting.

  I think to say that ACORN has no one on it’s side is silly though. The Democrats, particularly the liberals and most of all our President have been supporters up until recently.

  I’m confused as always,because if the organization is as pure and good as this film proclaims then why would the Democrats turn and run when only the clearly biased Fox News reported on a story that was generated by Andrew Breitbart?

  Besides, I believe the funding for the organization has only been temporarily pulled, maybe until the end of the year and then they will be right back, fully funded, doing what they do best.

  Of course all of this ignores the actual convictions for voter fraud and the crazy stuff filmed by the Breitbart crew. A few months of temporary cessation of funding seems at minimum appropriate for that kind of behavior.

• 3. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

  source not sourse

• 4. QuentinK  |  October 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

  I actually appreciate FOX exposing ACORN. Every organization that takes tax dollars should be able to stand up to scrutiny such as this. Acorn failed and deserves to be stripped of it’s funding until they can prove they are good stewards of taxpayer dollars. So far they have failed miserably. I hope their downfall serves as a warning to ALL such agencies. Shape up or perish.

  And this from a Libtard as I was called the other day.

  At least I’m not a hypocrite.

• 5. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

  I like how the video tries to undermine Fox news as part of a witch hunt. Is that the best the liberals can come up with? The truth is, Fox is doing nothing wrong. Here are the facts:

  1986 Missouri 12 ACORN members convicted of voter fraud

  2005 Alabama 1 ACORN member found guilty of voter fraud

  2007 Missouri 4 ACORN members indicted for fraud
  2009 Missouri 8 ACORN members plead guilty to election fraud

  In a colossal waste of tax payer money, massive amounts of faulty registrations forms found in the following states: North
  Carolina, Ohio, Nevada, Indiana, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Texas, Michigan, and New Mexico.

  Again, millions of our tax dollars were used to pay people to encourage voter registration fraud! But the liberals somehow want to blame Fox news?!?! For what?

  http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

• 6. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

  Oh, what’s this? A Congressional Report Stating ACORN and ACORN Housing Corp (AHC) Illegally Used Public Funding? Say it isn’t so, Liberals!

  http://www.scribd.com/doc/6730050/Congressional-Report-104875-States-ACORN-and-ACORN-Housing-Corp-AHC-Illegally-Used-Public-Funding-for-Partisan-Political-Activity-Pages-7778

  But, yeah. Go ahead and blame Fox News.

• 7. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

  The other thing that is irritating about this video is the subtle implication that if you believe any of the bad press about ACORN then you are a heartless racist (sadly, yet another typically liberal move).

• 8. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

  Of course, from another perspective you can say that Fox News has given an inordinate amount of time dedicated to ACORN, and they should have spent more time criticizing Haliburton, Blackwater, etc…in order to be more “fair and blanced.”

  But my response to such an allegation is that all of the other networks barely touched on the ACORN scandals until they came into play with Congress.

  More importantly, I can’t think of any Conservatives that cried outrage at the liberal media at the exposure of crimes by Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman. But as soon as Fox goes on the attack against ACORN, the liberal cry babies get themselves worked into a huge tizzy.

• 9. SNuss  |  October 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

  Of course, since the rest of the MSM is slanted so far to the Left, any “fair and balanced” coverage, by Fox, would seem slanted to the right, by comparison.

  BTW, when are the feminists going to complain about Rep. Grayson’s “K-Street whore” comment? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

• 10. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

  Speaking of outrage… How PO’d would the MSM be if Bush was President, he was playing as much golf as BHO and the swine flu vaccine was in short supply as “CHILDREN ARE DYING”. The hypocrisy is getting thick my friends.

• 11. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

  Neftali: “Voter fraud”? What voter fraud?

  Your talk about “voter fraud” charges against ACORN employees or volunteers is mostly hooey.

  Do yourself a favor and read this 61-page report. And then come back and tell me again about “voter fraud”:

  http://departments.oxy.edu/uepi/acornstudy/acornstudy.pdf

  While you’re at it, search out the many stories of how Karl Rove leaned on federal prosecutors to go after ACORN. There’s been a congressional investigation of it.

  Here’s one to get you started: http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2009/08/rove_vs_acorn_1.html

• 12. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

  Roger is so stupid that he thinks YouTube is willingly part of some ideological conspiracy. Get a clue, Roger.

• 13. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

  If Congress were to bar the government from doing any business with any outfit that ever was convicted of defrauding the government, most of the defense contractors in America would be put of business. The effort to draw up laws punishing ACORN are unconstitutional bills of attainder.

• 14. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  expdoc: You’re not really that obtuse are you? You don’t really think that Obama should be in a lab somewhere trying to goose production of flu vaccines, do you?

  Are you overworked or something? What’s your excuse for such an intellectual lapse? I would expect such a stupid comment from some our resident goofballs, but not from you.

• 15. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

  Challenge to all you wingnuts: I’m not sure that there’s never been a voter fraud conviction against an ACORN volunteer or employee, but I haven’t been able to find any.

  Can any of you find one?

  Mind you, I’m not talking about bogus registrations or anything like that. I’m talking about voter fraud — the illegal casting of votes. And I’m talking about convictions, not just indictments brought by Republican prosecutors trying to ingratiate themselves with Karl Rove.

  Lemme know.

• 16. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

  Sarcasm Pat.

  Of course I don’t believe that. I actually think H1N1 is overhyped by our media in order to drive coverage. I wouldn’t criticize Obama or any President for what they do with their free time, only encourage them to take it. The President’s job is largely one of delegation anyway, that’s why who they pick to be on their staff (or czar) is important.

  I do think the MSM would be all over Bush now in the same circumstance, I just find the hypocrisy disturbing.

• 17. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

  Pat - That report does nothing to dismiss the actual clear evidence and examples of voter fraud. Instead that report focuses on the varied instances of media bias.

  http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

  As I’m sure you know, and as spelled out several times in the report…there is a difference between actual “voter fraud” and “voter registration fraud.” There is very little evidence of actual voter fraud. But voter registration fraud wasn’t just an isolated case in certain ACORN local places. Registration fraud was a directive, mandate, and primary goal of the whole organization. It is corrupt from the very top all the way down to individual workers.

  At a very minimum, they wasted a ton of tax payer money. On a more realistic viewpoint, they broke several campaign laws. Karl Rove was doing the right thing.

  Again, these were not just some “hooey” allegations. There are convictions across the country. I stress convictions, as in proven wrong by a judge, or by admittance of guilt.

  Try as you might, its simply impossible to weasel your way through a defense of this criminal organization.

• 18. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

  Here’s a CNN article of someone convicted of voter registration fraud. But, hey, its not actual voter fraud, so I guess ACORN never did anything wrong.

  http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/

• 19. SNuss  |  October 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

  expdoc sez: “Speaking of outrage… How PO’d would the MSM be if Bush was President, he was playing as much golf as BHO and the swine flu vaccine was in short supply as “CHILDREN ARE DYING”. The hypocrisy is getting thick my friends.”

  Kerry Ad Says Flu Vaccine Shortage Is Typical of Bush’s Policy Blunders
  Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38743-2004Oct16.html

  So, if Bush 43 was at fault then, B. Hussein Obama MUST be at fault now, right, Pat?

• 20. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

  Wrong, Snuss.

• 21. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

  Neftali: In comment No. 18, you cite one conviction for registration fraud, which is not the same as the “voter fraud” you alleged in comment no. 5. But still, it’s bad.

  In return, I refer you to this story about the convictions of several Republican operatives for trying to suppress Democratic voter turnout in New Hampshire by jamming the Democratic Party’s phone lines:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tobin_(political_operative).

  Be careful in reading that link I provided. Don’t be misled by a higher court’s reversal of James Tobin’s conviction. He was re-indicted, and several other GOP operatives pleaded guilty.

• 22. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

  Neftali: In comment No. 17, you say this of ACORN:
  “Registration fraud was a directive, mandate, and primary goal of the whole organization. It is corrupt from the very top all the way down to individual workers.”

  Do you have any evidence of that? Or are you just parroting crap you’ve heard on Fox News. Evidence, Neftali. Not just overheated rhetoric. Your statement is pretty damning. Prove it.

  Mind you, I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying you offer no evidence to support such sweeping allegations. No evidence at all.

• 23. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

  Pat as usual has to call names showing he is the stupid immature one!!!

  Pat you get a clue it was meant in satire.
  What do you have a hangover from last night.

• 24. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

  2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

• 25. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

  http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

• 26. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

  The above might not be what your talking about but it shows they have a lot of problems

• 27. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

  Roger: I’m looking for “voter fraud” cases. Not just phony registrations. I’m looking for evidence that ACORN has somehow tried to influence the outcomes of elections through fraudulent votes. I keep hearing suggestions from Fox News and others that elections have been fixed or not entirely on the up and up because of ACORN’s activities. There were even allegations last year that Obama would steal the presidency by such nefarious means. But I can’t find cases of voter fraud by ACORN. Indeed, I can’t more than a handful of voter fraud cases involving anyone.

  Neftali says of ACORN: “Registration fraud was a directive, mandate, and primary goal of the whole organization. It is corrupt from the very top all the way down to individual workers.” But Neftali has no evidence to back up that sweeping claim.

  All I’m looking for here is something solid that shows that ACORN has represented a threat to our democracy. All I’m finding is Mickey Mouse stuff (including phony registrations of people named Mickey Mouse).

  Where’s the damn beef, folks? For several years now, we’ve heard horror stories about voter fraud by ACORN. Where’s the proof? I’d love to trumpet it here, but I can’t find it. All I can find is overblown rhetoric, mainly from people who have a vested interest in low voter turnouts among Democrats.

• 28. Neftali  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

  Pat still doesn’t get it. There is hard evidence in 14 STATES of voter registration fraud. Plus the congressional report I linked to in #6. Plus all the under cover video testimony.

  Let’s repeat:
  1. Confirmed voter registration fraud in 14 states.
  2. Congressional Report Stating ACORN and ACORN Housing Corp (AHC) Illegally Used Public Funding
  3. The Breit Bart undercover videos showing ACORN workers showing how to lie on application to support child prostitution rings.

  All that doesn’t happen by coincidence. How can it? I stand by my assertion that its corrupt starting from the top. This isn’t a blind or wild allegation, its an obvious logical conclusion given the facts.

  Again, you don’t need actual cases of voter fraud. Wisespread voter registration fraud is enough.

• 29. Orlando Clay  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

  Pat Cunningham wrote: “Indeed, I can’t more than a handful of voter fraud cases involving anyone.”

  Well, I seem to recall one notorious case of alleged voter fraud, but I would imagine that our friends on the right have already conveniently forgotten about it:

  http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/ann-coulter-facing-new-voter-fraud-al

• 30. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

  They point to 12 ACORN members convicted of voter fraud in Missouri in 1986

  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/08/voter-fraud-task-force-raids-nevada-office-backing/

• 31. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

  Ex-ACORN worker: ‘I paid the price’ for voter registration fraud

  http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/

• 32. Roger  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

  * As of July 2008, at least three ACORN workers have been convicted of voter fraud in Kansas City, and one is awaiting trial. These ACORN workers in Kansas City flooded voter registration rolls with over 35,000 false or questionable voter registration forms.[5]

  http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/07/acorn-watch-voter-fraud-and-mortgage-scams-on-your-dime/

• 33. Orlando Clay  |  October 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

  Neftali wrote: “Plus all the under cover video testimony.”

  Which, by the way, was heavily edited. Even the Fox Propaganda Channel was careful enough to admit as much — lawsuits can be such nasty things, you know.

  “In the video released on Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com on October 21, the audio and video of O’Keefe’s and Giles’ July 24, 2009, visit to the Philadelphia ACORN office have been heavily edited. Many of Russell’s statements in the video of the office visit were edited out and replaced with audio of O’Keefe purporting to explain what she said. As Fox News reported: “The new eight-minute video depicts O’Keefe and Giles entering ACORN’s Philadelphia office and meeting with Conway-Russell. O’Keefe and Giles are seen speaking with Conway-Russell, but audio portions of the video are missing or edited in some portions.” “

• 34. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

  Roger: Nothing you’ve given me here, including the link to a story in the Moonie newspaper, involves voter fraud — the fraudulent casting of votes. All you’ve got is a bunch of cases involving phony registrations. I’m looking for actual voter fraud. I’m looking for ACORN participating in the actual defrauding of the election process, not just the padding of registration rolls with names like Donald Duck. That kind of thing happens all the time, especially when people are paid by the number of registrations they obtain. I remember a case here in Rockford where several Republicans were busted for round-tabling candidacy petitions. They forged signatures on the petitions with names from the phone book or whatever. That was illegal, but it wasn’t voter fraud. Somebody please find me an ACORN case of actual voter fraud. I hear so much about it, but I can’t find any cases. Help me.

• 35. Pat Cunningham  |  October 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

  By the way, no more input from me tonight. It’s World Series time.

• 36. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

  Pat,

  Here’s a well known case in Milwaukee where DEMOCRATIC operatives (including the son of a local politician) slashed tires on Republican vans to prevent voters from making it to the polls.

  Why not just have a photo id required to vote? Maybe we need to go to the old ink on the thumb trick that has worked for our newly democratized friends in Iraq?

• 37. snuss  |  October 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

  Democrat Tire Slashers Offer Bizarre Defense
  Is keeping voters from voting, any different than voter fraud? The results are the same.

  Five Democratic activists are on trial for slashing the tires of vans rented by the Republican Party to shuttle voters to the polls on the morning of Election Day in 2004.

  Michael Pratt, the son of then-acting Milwaukee Mayor Marvin Pratt; Sowande Omokunde, the son of Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.); and the three other defendants are charged with criminal damage to property — a felony that carries a maximum sentence of three and a half years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

  Republican campaigners had rented more than 100 vehicles for a get-out-the-vote campaign. The vehicles were parked in a lot adjacent to a Bush campaign office, and party workers planned to drive voters to polling places. Prosecutors contend that the five men punctured the tires of the vans early in the morning, before the Republican headquarters opened.

  Attorneys for the five defendants, however, argued that since the slashings were part of a broader national campaign by the Democrats to prevent a large Republican turnout in key states, it was a legitimate campaign tactic. “Look, we all know Bush stole the 2000 election,” said defense attorney Ivan Steele. “Our clients were only trying to fight fire with fire.”
  Source: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-64142.html

  AND……

  Did ACORN elect Al Franken to the US Senate?
  looks that way…
  Posted by : Drew McKissick October 1, 2009 - 2:28pm
  As if you needed more reason to be sick of ACORN there’s the distinct possibility that they are the reason that (it still hurts to say this) Al Franken is now a member of the US Senate.

  How’s that you say? Quite simply, it’s all about math. Voter fraud math, that is.

  After all the recounts and selective re-recounts were done, Franken won the election by an “official” 312 votes. And ACORN claims that they registered almost 50,000 voters in Minnesota last year. And, given the large percentage of ACORN registrations that have been proven fraudulent (too say nothing of further allegations), you easily come up with a “fraud” number bigger than the margin of victory in the race.

  Kaus points out the following story from the folks at the Star-Tribune in Minneapolis…
  Read the rest at: http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/did_acorn_elect_al_franken_us_senate

  “Yesterday, Minnesota Majority, together with 8 Minnesota gubernatorial candidates, issued a letter to Attorney General Lori Swanson calling for a formal investigation into potential illegal activities on the part of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in Minnesota.

  Recent news stories have revealed evidence of apparent systematic corruption within the ACORN organization. At least 15 other states have launched investigations into potential election law and other violations on the part of ACORN. A report issued earlier this year by the US House of Representatives Oversight Committee stated that “ACORN has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud. Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate.”

  Read the rest at: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/acorn-voter-fraud-minnesota-petition-minnesota-majority-investigation-of-acorn-in-minnesota-al-franken-norm-coleman-mn-secretary-of-state-mark-ritchie-43000-new-voters-2008-election/

• 38. shawnnews  |  October 28th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

  “Here’s a well known case in Milwaukee” — where, Doc. Remember to post the link,
  I think the right’s strategy is to connect Obama to an organization that hires criminals and tries to influence policy. Like the libs tried to connect Bush to Enron, they are doing the same to Obama and ACORN. The fact is Obama represented them in a morot voter registration case in Illinois with other attorneys in the mid 90s. That’s about all the connection he has.
  How about this: There is a large, international organization that seeks to influence the outcome of US elections. It’s leader have hired and retained the services of pedophiles and have moved them from state to state when complaints against them arose. This organization’s membership has both democrats and republicans and connected to it. It’s entry-level leaders have been convicted of crimes against children. Yet even the president himself was given an honory doctorate by — (drum roll) the Roman Catholc Church.
  How about this — ACORN doesn’t get any tax funding, Enron stooges get prosecuted and the Catholic Church (or any other crooked church or secular charity) doesn’t get any government social service contracts or assistance until they clean up their act for at least 25 years?
  If people are REALLY concerned about crookedness, they have to clean out the foxes in their own henhouses.
  The Catholic Church has made ACORN look like stewards of righteousness.

• 39. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

  http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=249093&sid=ff984ca1219c81aa087f1bdb1eab57f6

• 40. expdoc  |  October 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

  By the way shawn, I would rather suffer the consequences of ACORN departure than that of the Catholic Church. That is really a no brainer.

• 41. shawnnews  |  October 28th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

  I will make this conclusion about anyone who contributes money to the catholic church–
  I am sure they do not willingly want to be part of an organization that knowingly shielded child offenders for decades.
  I am also sure that if there was another ideology that did the same or a competing religion that did it, they would point it out as a fault and why that organization was criminal.
  Case in point– the Satanic panic of the 80s. A few killers like Richard Ramirez, David Berkowitz and Sean Sellers aclaimed to be under the influence of Satan during their crimes. There were TV specials and anti-cult groups all over speaking in churches. Would you want your kid to join the ranks of Satan? No.
  Now ACORN is being accused of having staffers willing turn a blind eye to a couple posing as an underage prostitute and her pimp. ACORN fired the staffers. Would you want to contribute any money to an organization that has that lazy of an HR department or internal quality control? No.
  The argument applies to the Catholic Church or ANY other religious and secular organization that willfully protects and employs active criminals. You don’t give crooked people money –even if you believe their cause. You clean out the organization, replace the criminals with fine people and then reward the oprganization with tax breaks, contracts, etc.
  There’s no reason to come down hard on the voter registration fraud crimes but make excuses for the criminals in the groups near and dear to us.
  (In all fairness, leaders in my denomination of Christianity have been accused of and convicted of crimes with minors — although I haven’t heard of any in about 15 years.)

• 42. realfoxnews  |  October 29th, 2009 at 6:20 am

  shawnnews If you go after one church go after them all. They all have their bad points. Its not church any more its give more money please. Thats all they want.

• 43. expdoc  |  October 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am

  I agree about cleaning out the criminals in any organization. But the phrase don’t throw out the baby with the bath water comes to mind. I stand by my original point that the Catholic Church does magnitudes greater social good for the world than does ACORN.

• 44. shawnnews  |  October 29th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

  realfoxnews is right. — they all have their bad points. Although I mentioned the Catholic church at first, I believe I was clear in saying
  “The argument applies to the Catholic Church or ANY other religious and secular organization that willfully protects and employs active criminals.” No, I don’t single out the Catholic Church as more crooked. In fact, a pedophile scandal can happen in ANY organization that does not have good oversight over how adults interact with children or how it’s employees are selected.
  This includes
  schools, scout organizations, sports clubs, etc.

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