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• 1. expdoc  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm

  So I guess now by your definition, any conservative is a wingnut?

  It seems that what has happened is a RINO has been shot dead, if that means the elephant dies too, then so be it. Conservatives are tired of politicians who will not follow fiscally conservative principles (and that includes GWB).
  It is why organizations like Americans for Prosperity are booming. They focus on fiscal issues from a conservative viewpoint and will highlight candidates from any party that agree with that approach.

• 2. Mike Carroll  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm

  One slight problem with your scenario Pat. It seems the independent and Conservative Hoffman has vaulted into a double digit lead in that race.
  The Republican nominee was more liberal in her voting record than her democratic opponent.Looks like what the voters want is someone more Conservative. Surely you don’t have a problem with the will of the people do you?
  News reports have Acorn and their allies warming up for action in tomorrows New Jersey races.I’m sure we can expect vigilant pursuit of reports of voting irregularities by the Eric Holder Justice Department.
  Stay tuned for inaction.

• 3. DingDong  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm

  MODERATES!!

  Moderate to what? Scozzafava was a out and out liberal, who should not have been running as a Republican. Political parties are not like football teams. The idea that is that party encompasses a core set of ideas/values, not just a group of people getting together to win against the blue shirts. Conservatives are not apposed to Democratics/Liberals/progressives because of their label, they are opposed to their ideology. Scozzafava in the end showed her true colors and the people who forced her out were correct.

• 4. Pat Cunningham  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 pm

  DingDong: Scozzafava was selected as the GOP nominee by vote of the Republican chairs in the 11 counties of the district. The wingnuts opposed her because she wasn’t a complete lunatic.

  But, hey, I’m glad she got chased out of the race. I’m glad that the loonies are chasing away all the Republican moderates. In the long run, it’ll spell disaster for the GOP.

  Have you noticed, DingDong, that barely one in five Americans call themselves Republicans? And do you wonder why?

• 5. expdoc  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm

  I completely agree with you about the Republican party. They are deservedly hemorrhaging members but it isn’t because they aren’t moderate enough. The Republicans are in for a long haul though, no doubt.

• 6. DingDong  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

  And I don’t label myself as a Republican either. What is being a complete lunatic? Not believing in the Democrat party line? Funny Pat, all the polls show more people being conservative. Scozzafava was definitely not a conservative. The idea is to actually stand for something. The idea is not just to win for the sake of winning.

• 7. SNuss  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

  DingDong sez: “The idea is not just to win for the sake of winning.”

  So true. B. Hussein Obama and the Far-Left viciously attack anyone who doesn’t fully support their Socialist agenda, even other Democrats (just ask Joe Liebermann, Creigh Deeds, or the Blue Dogs). They are out to jam their agenda down the throats of the American public, no matter what tries to stop them.

  The conservative opposition has values and principles that are worth fighting for, and these elections are the first battles in the Wars of 2010, and 2012. Reagan conservatism will rise again!

• 8. Neftali  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

  Pat appears to have forgotten about this recent poll, which states that 40% of people identify themselves as “Conservative” while only 20% identify themselves as “liberal”.

  http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx

• 9. realfoxnews  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm

  If those two State get Republicans governors what will Pat say on Wednesday? Pat this could be a wake up call to your party of spend.

• 10. Pat Cunningham  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm

  Neftali: I haven’t forgotten that poll at all. I also haven’t forgotten that the Republican Party is about as popular as the plague.

  This business about whether people consider themselves liberal or conservative is very misleading. Lots of people don’t even know the meanings of those words. I’ve known self-styled conservatives who support all manner of liberal political positions. And by that same token, lots of people who call themselves conservatives don’t much agree with the right wing of the Republican Party.

  Ask yourself these questions: Do liberals generally approve of Obama’s job performance? Do conservatives generally disapprove of Obama’s job performance?

  OK, then ask yourself where Obama’s approval ratings stand in a Gallup poll released just this afternoon. I’ll tell you. His approval rating is 53 percent, and his disapproval rating is 39 percent. How can that be if there are (according to the poll you cited) twice as many self-styled conservatives as self-styled liberals. Does it mean that lots of conservatives approve of Obama’s job performance? Or does it simply mean that lots of people are mistaken in applying political labels to themselves?

  You can check those latest Gallup numbers here:

  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

• 11. Pat Cunningham  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 pm

  SNuss: You’re a political illiterate. You say the Democrats are “out to jam their agenda down the throats of the American public, no matter what tries to stop them.” Your understanding of the legislative process is no better than a fourth-grader’s.

  The truth is that Democrats hold solid majorities in both houses of Congress by virtue of having been duly elected to office. And a Democrat who was elected in an electoral landslide serves as president.

  The president isn’t going to sign any legislation that doesn’t gain majority approval in Congress. None of that legislation is going to shoved down the throats of a disapproving American public.

  This is the way the system works, SNuss. This is the way the Constitution says it should work.

  The only hope the Republicans have to block the Democratic agenda is by use of the filibuster in the Senate. The Constitution does not directly provide for a filibuster. The filibuster amounts to the tail wagging the dog, no matter which party uses it. But there are ways around the filibuster — ways that Republicans have used in the past and that the Democrats might soon use to pass health-care reform.

  SNuss, where did you get this insane notion that legislation duly enacted by Congress amounts to shoving something down the throats of the American people? Why do you hate the American system?

• 12. Richard  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm

  I believe that the Republicans have a serious identity crisis.

  The Republicans act afraid to offend those on the left. What gives?
  Then there are those who find fault with real conservatives who call themselves moderates. The only thing conservatives with these moderates is their fiscal agenda. The other 90% of their lack of values sit right on the fence with the hard line left. I have to ask. Why do you moderates feel that the Republicans have to change socially to the left. Yet, the hard line left are left free to in doctrine those who have fell victim of the dumbing down of America to take our country to a Nanny State.
  Seems to me that the moderates are leftist.Like those who only walk their dog to crap in my yard. If you moderates want to be leftist? Why not work to reform fiscal policy of your own party?

  I believe what has killed Republicans is their wish to attract so called moderates. I am a strong conservative but I do not vote just party line. If I feel the better candidate sits on the left? I vote that way. Would moderates be better served calling themselves fiscal liberals and try and bring their party back from the likes of the Pat’s of the world?

• 13. expdoc  |  November 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 pm

  The latest Rasmussen poll found that 42 percent of those surveyed favored the healthcare plan proposed by President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats. That was down from 45 percent a week ago and unchanged from two weeks ago.

  Looking at the Rasmussen historical chart, support for healthcare reform has hovered between 41 percent and 46 percent since mid-September.

  In the latest poll, conducted after House Democrats unveiled their legislation last week, 54 percent opposed the legislative effort on healthcare reform. That was up three points from the previous week and unchanged from two weeks earlier.

  Opposition to healthcare reform has hovered between 50 percent and 56 percent since mid-September.

  “Perhaps the most stunning aspect of the numbers is how stable they have been through months of debate, town hall protests, presidential speeches, congressional wrangling and more,” Rasmussen Reports says.
  http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/11/02/house-healthcare-bill-doesnt-boost-public-support-poll/

  A simple example Pat, the majority of Americans don’t want this reform. If it is passed and signed into law anyway that would count as the old shove down the throat.

  Of course you’re right, they are the elected leaders of the country. Thank God we have future elections (beginning tomorrow) to change the power balance.

• 14. realfoxnews  |  November 3rd, 2009 at 7:11 am

  Pat I went to that site but I could not find out what % of each group they called.

• 15. snuss  |  November 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 am

  Pat, we have a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. Our representatives are supposed to convey OUR wishes, not those of the Democratic leadership. A MAJORITY of the public DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE, and did not want the debt QUADRUPLED. They also don’t want our children, and their children, having to pay for this Democratic spending spree.

• 16. mike  |  November 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am

  Nazis like Pat do not understand that Snuss. CIA call yet Pat? Hey does anyone on this board know any CIA agents????

• 17. Pat Cunningham  |  November 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am

  As a matter of fact, mike, I know some CIA people. Seriously. One of them is a relative of mine. Now, go away before I tell them about you and your traitorous schemes.

• 18. DingDong  |  November 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 am

  Pat, just because your a relative does not mean like you any more than we do. As always, Pat’s arguments leave out salient points. The biggest one being that quite a few of the newly elected Democrats won being conservative.

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