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• 1. Richard  |  November 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  I guess THIS means that these two organizations have been taken over by socialists bent on sapping us of our precious bodily fluids.

  You would be correct, Sir. Just follow the money trail, my friend.

• 2. Richard  |  November 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

  Thomas Sowell points out that the Democrat plans for our healthcare system will merely shift the costs, not reduce them.

  http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjYwM2EzM2JkOTkwMjU2ZWRhYWI0NzFiM2JmM2I0MmM=#more

• 3. denny johnson  |  November 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

  called AARP and cancelled my membership. They certainly do not represent me any longer. Ran the card thru my Fellows. I know, they could care less…….

• 4. expdoc  |  November 5th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

  The AMA is hardly the bellweather for American physicians.

  The AMA is supporting this bill because they are terrified. If you notice in their press release they advocate not only for the Pelosi bill but also for the bill that would get rid of the current Medicare reimbursement formula. The “final rule” for payment for 2010 was issued on Oct 30 and as it stands most physicians will receive a minimum 21% pay cut. I don’t expect any sympathy from those of you on this blog but this would truly limit the access to care for Medicare patients. The AMA is playing high stakes poker for the quid pro quo of overturning this portion of reform to freeze payments at there current levels for 10 years. I suspect they will find what others who agree to support the bill find: When you play poker with Chicago political mob expect to get shot in the back.

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013004574518013218640066.html

  “Actually, what they’ve been watching is a formula that automatically cuts Medicare reimbursements to physicians—by 21.5% next year—and have made it clear that they’ll endorse virtually anything, no matter how damaging to medicine, as a quid pro quo for eliminating this cut. They didn’t get even that. Democrats amputated the “doc fix” from ObamaCare because preventing the cuts will cost more than $200 billion and pushes the price tag well above $1 trillion. They claim they’ll instead pass a separate bill with the fix, adding all of that to the deficit.

  President J. James Rohack was careful to note that the AMA was endorsing both bills as a package, and on a conference call with reporters he wouldn’t say if he would pull support if ObamaCare passes and the doc fix doesn’t. Yet that’s what his political gullibility is likely to get his members. A Democratic revolt last month already killed the two-bill deception in the Senate in a sudden onset of fiscal sanity. In the stampede to pass ObamaCare, Democrats won’t give even a passing thought to leaving the AMA behind—especially now, given that the group has shown how cheaply it can be bought.

  Unmentioned by Mr. Obama was that 20 other physician groups came out against his health-care takeover yesterday, which they wrote “will threaten patient access and harm quality.” Led by the American College of Surgeons, these doctors argued the Senate’s bill “will do little to fix” health care’s “underlying problems, and may make them worse.” The letter was signed by groups representing neurological and orthopaedic surgeons, urologists, anesthesiologists, gynecological oncologists and others.”

• 5. expdoc  |  November 5th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

  For another look at how the current bill solves neither the access issue or the cost issue see this editorial

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574499423536935290.html

  “To address the shortage of doctors and the incentives that compel young doctors to eschew primary care, Congress needs to think about how to increase doctor pay, institute malpractice reform, and provide subsidies to reduce the amount of debt doctors have to take on. Residency caps should also be raised so teaching hospitals can train more doctors. Without these actions new doctors would be foolish to enter primary care, and thankfully our medical schools do not recruit foolish people.”

• 6. expdoc  |  November 5th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

  LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

  http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/11/pelosi_breaks_pledge_to_put_he.asp

  “On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was “absolutely” committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours before the House votes:

  TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it’s voted on at the very end?

  PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.

  But tonight, when asked if Speaker Pelosi will leave the bill online for 72 hours after we see what’s in the rule, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly replied in an email: “No; [the] pledge was to have manager’s amendment online for 72 hours, and we will do that.”

  Apparently Pelosi’s agreement to leave the “final” bill online “at the very end” of the process wasn’t such a straightforward pledge.”

• 7. snuss  |  November 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

  At least 10,000 physicians disagree with the AMA, AARP, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

  See: http://www.sermo.com/blog/2009/09/08/10000-us-physicians-have-something-to-say-and-we%E2%80%99re-not-wasting-time

  I will be cancelling my AARP membership.

• 8. Pat Cunningham  |  November 5th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

  I saw this comment on another blog today, and it rang true:

  Here is how health care debates between average people go.

  Person 1: You know, (today’s talking point).

  Person 2: That’s not true!

  Person 1. Yes, it is!

  Person 2. No, it’s not!

  Person 1. Yes, it is!

  And it never goes anywhere sane from there.

• 9. expdoc  |  November 5th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

  Pat,
  What exactly is not sane about my post numbers 4 and 5 above?

• 10. snuss  |  November 6th, 2009 at 8:14 am

  Horrors of the healthcare bill:

  PG 22: Mandates that the federal government will audit books of all employers who self insure
  PG 30, Sec 123: Establishes a government committee that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
  PG 29, Lines 4-16: Directly rations health care for the elderly.
  PG 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you.
  PG 50, Section 152: Extends benefits and coverage to illegal immigrants.
  PG 58: The creation of a national ID health card and a comprehensive federal database containing streaming data on every American’s personal financial records.
  PG 59: The federal government accesses your bank accounts for mandatory funds transfers.
  PG 65, Sec 164: Creates special, federally-subsidized coverage for Unions and “Community Organizing” groups.
  PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Dictates the benefits packages of all private health insurance plans.
  PG 85, Line 7: Limits what private insurers can offer (rationed care).
  PG 91, Lines 4-7: Mandates that health care providers pay for interpreters for illegal immigrants.
  Pg 95, Lines 8-18: The mandatory use of ACORN and Americorps for signing up Americans to government insurance.
  PG 85, Line 7: Imposes more limits on coverage (rationing).
  PG 102, Lines 12-18: Mandates Medicare for all who fit criteria (removes all choice).
  PG 124, Lines 24-25: Bans companies from suing the federal government, bans the entire judicial system from hearing any cases on the legitimacy of this blatantly unconstitutional socialist health care takeover (no judicial review allowed whatsoever).
  PG 127, Lines 1-16: Instructs doctors/AMA on what salaries they are allowed to make.
  PG 145, Line 15-17: Requires all employers to enroll all new employees in the government system (no choice whatsoever).
  PG 126, Lines 22-25: Requires employers to independently provide insurance for part-time workers, whether they can afford it or not (no choice).
  PG 149, Lines 16-24: Imposes an 8% payroll tax penalty for any employer (making over $400k) who fails to force his employees onto government insurance.
  PG 150, Lines 9-13: Employers making between $251k and $400k pay 2-6% penalty.
  PG 167, Lines 18-23: Imposes 2.5% income tax penalty on any privately-insured individual who fails to get “adequate” private insurance.
  PG 170, Lines 1-3: Stipulates that all non-resident aliens pay nothing (we foot the bill).
  PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every citizen’s most private records.
  Pg 239, Line 14-24: Rations Medicaid services for low-income Seniors.
  Pg 241, Line 6-8: Mandates that all doctors be paid the same, regardless of specialty.
  PG 253, Line 10-18: Imposes federally-determined price tag for the worth of every doctor’s time and services.
  PG 265, Sec 1131: Imposes controls on productivity for private health care companies.
  PG 268, Sec 1141: Imposes regulations on rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
  PG 272, SeC. 1145: Cancer treatment rationing.
  PG 280, Sec 1151: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for “preventable” visits.
  PG 298, Lines 9-11: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for readmissions after initial treatment (fix it on the first try or suffer the consequences).
  PG 317, Lines 13-20: Prohibits doctors from purchasing or investing in medical care facilities.
  PG 321, Line 2-13: Pretends to give hospitals the choice to go fully-federal, but only if local “community” groups (ACORN) approve.
  PG 335, Line 16-25, Pg 336-339: Imposes more rationing of services.
  PG 341, Lines 3-9: Creates the federal power to arbitrarily disqualify HMOs, forcing people onto government care at random.
  PG 354, Sec 1177 - Rationing of care for special needs people.
  PG 379, Sec 1191: Creates new Telehealth bureaucracy (nanny state health care by phone).
  PG 425, Lines 4-12: Creates mandatory end of life consultation.
  PG 425, Lines 17-19: Mandatory government instruction and consultation on living wills, durable power of attorney, etc.
  PG 429, Lines 10-12: Empowers the federal government to order end-of-life plans through something called, “advanced care consultation.”
  Pg 429, Lines 13-25: Puts the federal government in charge of which doctors can write an end of life order.
  PG 430, Lines 11-15: Puts the federal government in complete control of what care you receive at the end of your life.

  Read the rest at: http://www.examiner.com/x-17412-Macon-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d24-What-it-contains-Horrors-in-the-new-health-care-bill

  Also see: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/archive/index.php?t-201515.html

  http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/009/health-bill.html

  http://rightsoup.com/horrors-in-the-health-care-bill-chapter-and-verse/

• 11. Neftali  |  November 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am

  AARP Exec. VP Nancy LeaMond has a long history of supporting Liberals.

  She served under Clinton as Assistant U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) for Congressional Affairs. She served as Chief of Staff to [Clinton admin] U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky.

  http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/11/06/aarp-official-defending-obamacare-endorsement-was-senior-dem-offic

• 12. Tim  |  November 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  Snuss forgot a link. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

• 13. snuss  |  November 6th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  Unless factcheck.org has read the CURRENT form of the bill, which is changing as it goes, they, like our members of Congress, are woefully ignorant of what it will do to us. Yet, you of the left want us to buy this “pig in a poke”, sight unseen, and TRUST these lying politicians.

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