Open thread on Ft. Hood shooting spree
November 5th, 2009 at 08:28pm Pat Cunningham
 Have your say (but respectfully, please) on this tragedy.
UPDATE: Suspected shooter is NOT dead. See HERE.
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November 5th, 2009 at 08:28pm Pat Cunningham
 Have your say (but respectfully, please) on this tragedy.
UPDATE: Suspected shooter is NOT dead. See HERE.
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16 Comments Add your own
1. Richard | November 5th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
My heart goes out to the victims of these cowards. What a tragedy.
2. gowader | November 5th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
This is a real tragedy, but it is just the start of things to come. When soldiers are not allowed to pray and hold religious services, what more can we expect. My brother is active military, and knows first hand how christian soldiers are hassled for their faith. It is faith that keeps us sane and moral in times of crisis. You do the math.
3. Pat Cunningham | November 5th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
What “math” is that, gowader? Besides, the shooter was a Muslim, as I understand it. Are you saying he was not allowed to practice his religion?
4. Richard | November 6th, 2009 at 2:28 am
Pat….lets just see if you paper blowhards show that the victim was a Muslim. If he were blonde haired and blues eyed? It would be front page news.
Your comment referring to the Muslim not being able to be the one not able to practice his religion shows your anti America sentiment.
5. realfoxnews | November 6th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Richard I thought I heard he was not practicing his Muslim religion any more. But correct me if I’m wrong
6. gowader | November 6th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Pat!! This recent revelation proves my point even more. Every facet of American life including the Military is coming un glued. When you take God out of anything it will die. Do the math Pat!!
America - God = Death do you get it Pat????
7. Pat Cunningham | November 6th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Richard said: “Your comment referring to the Muslim not being able to be the one not able to practice his religion shows your anti America sentiment.”
I don’t even know what that means, especially with the “not being able” and “not able” piled up one after the other.
I didn’t say a Muslim was not able to practice his religion. I asked gowader if that was his thinking.
I also have no idea what Richard means with this: “Pat….lets just see if you paper blowhards show that the victim was a Muslim. If he were blonde haired and blues eyed? It would be front page news.”
The perpetrator, not the victim, is a Muslim. And it IS front-page news.
8. expdoc | November 6th, 2009 at 8:32 am
This is obviously a disturbing tragedy. While I understand that this man was Muslim and may have used that as justification for his attack, this was clearly a chronically disturbed individual.
I was very glad to see Muslim American groups immediately condemn this action for what it was. I hope people keep their cool and realize that this was not an Islamic conspiracy but merely one sick man.
9. joe | November 6th, 2009 at 8:37 am
It is a sad day, but we are at war. People are going to die. Just yesterday the enemy got to us on our side of the fence. What shocks me is the lack of security. Over in iraq they loved to attack recruitment offices, and other jump off points. Did we really think they would never hit us on our soil? We had to know these launch sites would be targeted.
10. echo4charlie | November 6th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Alarming, here, to me is the fact this this man took an oath, and then didn’t just “turn” on Americans, but his (Army) brothers. I don’t have all of the facts, yet, but I understand that he was/is/had been involved in Islam, and the people that were attacked were, to my understanding, deploying to Afghanistan.
Its a sad day. God rest their souls.
Because of what he did, and how he did it, when he receives his death sentence, it should be by a firing squad comprised of survivors of his attack. And, he shouldn’t be blindfolded, but have to look these men in the eye, as well as the survivors of his attack getting to look him in the eye before pulling their triggers.
11. realfoxnews | November 6th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Why do people in list in the arm forces if they don’t want to be call up for duty?
12. Richard | November 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Pat,
I do not even know what that one means. 2:28 am may be a give away to why it did not make sense. Last night was big fun though….lol
I have yet to check the news to see if it mentions the fact that the shooter was a muslim or how it is being spun.
13. Pat Cunningham | November 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Richard: Where do you get the notion that the media are burying the fact that the shooter is a Muslim? That fact is all over the place. If you Google “Ft. Hood” and “Muslim,” you gets tens of thousands of references:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS337US337&q=%22ft.+hood%22+muslim
14. QuentinK | November 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I served in war games at Ft. Hood though I was stationed at Ft. Sill. They are both very hard places to serve because of the long hot summers. The pressure of being deployed is understandable but I think it’s apparent that this guy had very real separate issues. Army installations are unique communities where people come together over a very real tangible set of shared circumstances. The losses are terrible and my thoughts go out to the families.
gowader- soldiers are allowed to pray, attend services and have religious meetings with those they choose outside of duty hours. I do not believe for a second your brother is unjustly prevented from participating in these functions. I have also been on duty with someone that would NOT stop preaching his beliefs. Yes we made fun of him as it was our right to NOT have to listen to him.
15. echo4charlie | November 6th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I remember, as well, no infringement upon anyone’s right to worship who and what they thought fit. The only restriction was that you couldn’t (openly) participate in Satanic or Occult practices, as that was prohibited.
I never saw anyone in the military restricted or prohibited from worshiping in respect to their belief system (aside from the aforementioned examples).
A great example is Desmond Doss, a conscientious objector not to combat or war, but to personally carrying or firing a firearm of any type. He was a 7th-Day Adventist who enlisted in the Army during WWII with the ambition of becoming a combat medic (where he would save, and not take life).
Due to religious obligations, he was not permitted to lift a finger in labor on Saturday. Besides being temporarily located into one of the days’ conscientious objector camps, he was harassed for, but never prohibited from the practice of his belief system.
There is an amazing documentary filmed shortly before he died called A Conscientious Objector, and, although a bit off subject, I recommend it highly to any and all.
16. Speckleme | November 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
–Pat….lets just see if you paper blowhards show that the victim was a Muslim. If he were blonde haired and blues eyed? It would be front page news.–
Wow, so how does one respond to something like this? It’s wrong on so many levels.
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