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	<title>Comments on: Jobless rate, poll numbers spell doom for Reagan, er, I mean Obama</title>
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	<description>Pat Cunningham offers an unabashedly liberal perspective on national politics. A note of caution: The language gets a litttle salty on some of the sites to which this blog links. So, don't say you weren't warned. By the way, this blog's name is inspired by the Will Rogers quote, "All politics is applesauce."</description>
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		<title>By: Mick Russom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-31139</link>
		<author>Mick Russom</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLOWARD PIVEN, what Obama uses to purposely destroy America to recreate progressively liberal. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, every president since JFK betrayed America to it (Recently now also the banking oligarchs). 70% of the total budget is Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, welfare, workfare, social security and interest on debt. 70% of your government does nothing but entitlements, and all governments since LBJ robbed those entitlements. This in addition to the facts that even without the looting the mandates are totally unfundable.

America. Life Liberty Pursuit of Happiness and Property. Constitution. Bill of Rights. 

No where is it within in the POWERS of government to provide a standard of living. No where is this enumerated. The biggest threat to the constitution is a government plying you with unenumerated "rights" to entitlements and social contracts and the bribe you with your own money! You actually will pay to get your own money back 30 cents on the dollar to feed a police state into wealth redistribution. What a crock. 

Dangerous Obama has said this:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. "

He wants to create an "above the law" Sturmabteilung/brownshirts gestapo style band of thugs that answer to him.

He doesn't care if its green, if its Organizing for America, or if its health care and using the IRS to use thug tactics to further shakedown America. This horrible ad is a scary precursor of things to come in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

These "Teaparty" issues have percolated up with Ross Perot several times before. One might take a look at perotcharts.com before spouting off about progressive liberalism being a good thing. Yet, as Perot and folks like Ron Paul were laughed at in the past, now not so much. You see, they basically predicted the future with shocking accuracy. The deficits, the spending beyond income even during prosperity, the perpetual wars and the unfunded social entitlement programs that have no hope of working even during good economic times is eclipsing American power.

Some are trying to erect a socialist state like that of say, Sweden. Yet, Sweden is a homogeneous culture, small population ~9 million, good natural borders and before rampant taxation moved a number of prolific businesses away, this country of 9 million made cars, cell phones, jet aircraft, heavy industry equipment, gave rise to Ikea, etc.

The problem is simple. The US is 300+ million with a leaky border. Socialism will break this union faster than can be imagined. One might argue this is the point and a Cloward-Piven strategy, but its probably just ignorance. 

The US competes with India and China. Brazil and Russia are also players, but the two main players are India and China. These countries are not dumb, are being lead in a much smarter way, and are not shooting themselves in the foot. These "socialist/communist" countries are nothing of the sort, the entitlements are bare to non existent, they foster business, ruthlessly defend local business against foreign business and are more capitalist than the United States. They have more people in their top 10% of every category than the US has people. 

So progressive liberals -  keep spending, keep expending government and chasing away business and keep trying to turn on the tax spigot (any new taxes for the upper echelons of society will be passed on to the consumer/buyer/renter) and getting less and less revenue over time as you collapse the economy. 

Obama is a profligate spender, a friend to the banksters, a traitor that defaces US credibility and currency and is a tool to Statist autocratic authoritarians erecting a police state and defacing the constitution.

All of this spending, particularly on healthcare, is pointless, and if it had a point it would be a Cloward Piven deconstruction strategy. THE USA IS BROKE. Face it. Unemployment @ 10%. Underemployment @17%. True Unemployment, who knows? 20+% Can't tax those who don't work. 80% of the treasuries this year, 2009, were BOUGHT BY THE FED. That means the government is loaning to itself with interest that you are paying and inventing money because its broke. 1 in 6 FHA loans, which are new, are already delinquent. The country is broke, and if you are still thinking about getting something for nothing health care you are focusing on the wrong thing right now. The government is the enemy and the government has betrayed you. They have NOTHING, and anything the government does have they TOOK from someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLOWARD PIVEN, what Obama uses to purposely destroy America to recreate progressively liberal. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, every president since JFK betrayed America to it (Recently now also the banking oligarchs). 70% of the total budget is Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, welfare, workfare, social security and interest on debt. 70% of your government does nothing but entitlements, and all governments since LBJ robbed those entitlements. This in addition to the facts that even without the looting the mandates are totally unfundable.</p>
<p>America. Life Liberty Pursuit of Happiness and Property. Constitution. Bill of Rights. </p>
<p>No where is it within in the POWERS of government to provide a standard of living. No where is this enumerated. The biggest threat to the constitution is a government plying you with unenumerated &#8220;rights&#8221; to entitlements and social contracts and the bribe you with your own money! You actually will pay to get your own money back 30 cents on the dollar to feed a police state into wealth redistribution. What a crock. </p>
<p>Dangerous Obama has said this:</p>
<p>&#8220;We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we&#8217;ve set.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got to have a civilian national security force that&#8217;s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. &#8221;</p>
<p>He wants to create an &#8220;above the law&#8221; Sturmabteilung/brownshirts gestapo style band of thugs that answer to him.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t care if its green, if its Organizing for America, or if its health care and using the IRS to use thug tactics to further shakedown America. This horrible ad is a scary precursor of things to come in America.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s</a></p>
<p>These &#8220;Teaparty&#8221; issues have percolated up with Ross Perot several times before. One might take a look at perotcharts.com before spouting off about progressive liberalism being a good thing. Yet, as Perot and folks like Ron Paul were laughed at in the past, now not so much. You see, they basically predicted the future with shocking accuracy. The deficits, the spending beyond income even during prosperity, the perpetual wars and the unfunded social entitlement programs that have no hope of working even during good economic times is eclipsing American power.</p>
<p>Some are trying to erect a socialist state like that of say, Sweden. Yet, Sweden is a homogeneous culture, small population ~9 million, good natural borders and before rampant taxation moved a number of prolific businesses away, this country of 9 million made cars, cell phones, jet aircraft, heavy industry equipment, gave rise to Ikea, etc.</p>
<p>The problem is simple. The US is 300+ million with a leaky border. Socialism will break this union faster than can be imagined. One might argue this is the point and a Cloward-Piven strategy, but its probably just ignorance. </p>
<p>The US competes with India and China. Brazil and Russia are also players, but the two main players are India and China. These countries are not dumb, are being lead in a much smarter way, and are not shooting themselves in the foot. These &#8220;socialist/communist&#8221; countries are nothing of the sort, the entitlements are bare to non existent, they foster business, ruthlessly defend local business against foreign business and are more capitalist than the United States. They have more people in their top 10% of every category than the US has people. </p>
<p>So progressive liberals -  keep spending, keep expending government and chasing away business and keep trying to turn on the tax spigot (any new taxes for the upper echelons of society will be passed on to the consumer/buyer/renter) and getting less and less revenue over time as you collapse the economy. </p>
<p>Obama is a profligate spender, a friend to the banksters, a traitor that defaces US credibility and currency and is a tool to Statist autocratic authoritarians erecting a police state and defacing the constitution.</p>
<p>All of this spending, particularly on healthcare, is pointless, and if it had a point it would be a Cloward Piven deconstruction strategy. THE USA IS BROKE. Face it. Unemployment @ 10%. Underemployment @17%. True Unemployment, who knows? 20+% Can&#8217;t tax those who don&#8217;t work. 80% of the treasuries this year, 2009, were BOUGHT BY THE FED. That means the government is loaning to itself with interest that you are paying and inventing money because its broke. 1 in 6 FHA loans, which are new, are already delinquent. The country is broke, and if you are still thinking about getting something for nothing health care you are focusing on the wrong thing right now. The government is the enemy and the government has betrayed you. They have NOTHING, and anything the government does have they TOOK from someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26308</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26308</guid>
		<description>SNuss: You're still having problems reading and understanding public opinion polls.

In this case, you confuse polls measuring opinions on whether the country is on the right track or the wrong track with polls on Obama's approval rating.

The right-track/wrong-track polls DO NOT measure whether people think Obama is on the right or wrong track. Rather, they measure whether people think the country as a whole is on the right track or wrong track.

Consider, for example, the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll. In that survey, a majority of respondents approve of Obama's job performance -- and a majority thinks the country is on the wrong track. Obviously, those majorities reflect the measurement of two different things.

A more dramatic example of this pertains in the DailyKos/Research 2000 poll, which you cited in your comment. In the latest edition of that poll, 55 percent approve of Obama's job performance while 57 percent think the country is on the wrong track.

The moral of the story, SNuss, is that lots of people don't blame Obama for the wrong track on which the country finds itself.  Indeed, in most polls, majorities approve of Obama's effort to get the country on the right track.

One last note: You referred to "EVEN the DailyKos poll," as if that poll is not to be trusted because it's commissioned by an outlet with which you generally disagree. But, as I've explained here on many occasions, the DailyKos poll, just like the Fox News poll, is conducted by a reputable independent firm. All the major media use independent companies for their polls. If any of these companies were caught cooking the numbers to suit the ideological biases of their clients, they would soon lose their reputation for reliability. One of your favorite polls, Rasmussen, has no major media clients, mainly because it's methodology is problematic, which is why its results often are at variance with those of most other polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SNuss: You&#8217;re still having problems reading and understanding public opinion polls.</p>
<p>In this case, you confuse polls measuring opinions on whether the country is on the right track or the wrong track with polls on Obama&#8217;s approval rating.</p>
<p>The right-track/wrong-track polls DO NOT measure whether people think Obama is on the right or wrong track. Rather, they measure whether people think the country as a whole is on the right track or wrong track.</p>
<p>Consider, for example, the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll. In that survey, a majority of respondents approve of Obama&#8217;s job performance &#8212; and a majority thinks the country is on the wrong track. Obviously, those majorities reflect the measurement of two different things.</p>
<p>A more dramatic example of this pertains in the DailyKos/Research 2000 poll, which you cited in your comment. In the latest edition of that poll, 55 percent approve of Obama&#8217;s job performance while 57 percent think the country is on the wrong track.</p>
<p>The moral of the story, SNuss, is that lots of people don&#8217;t blame Obama for the wrong track on which the country finds itself.  Indeed, in most polls, majorities approve of Obama&#8217;s effort to get the country on the right track.</p>
<p>One last note: You referred to &#8220;EVEN the DailyKos poll,&#8221; as if that poll is not to be trusted because it&#8217;s commissioned by an outlet with which you generally disagree. But, as I&#8217;ve explained here on many occasions, the DailyKos poll, just like the Fox News poll, is conducted by a reputable independent firm. All the major media use independent companies for their polls. If any of these companies were caught cooking the numbers to suit the ideological biases of their clients, they would soon lose their reputation for reliability. One of your favorite polls, Rasmussen, has no major media clients, mainly because it&#8217;s methodology is problematic, which is why its results often are at variance with those of most other polls.</p>
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		<title>By: snuss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26306</link>
		<author>snuss</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat and Craig certainly have the Far-Left's reading comprehension problem.

You both ignored the fact that I also cited the Real Clear Politics poll averages for the same issue, which show 56% believe the Obama Administration is on the wrong track. Even the DailyKos poll agrees.

                                 Dates      Right track   Wrong track         Spread   
Daily Kos/R2000 10/26 - 10/29      42              54                    -12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat and Craig certainly have the Far-Left&#8217;s reading comprehension problem.</p>
<p>You both ignored the fact that I also cited the Real Clear Politics poll averages for the same issue, which show 56% believe the Obama Administration is on the wrong track. Even the DailyKos poll agrees.</p>
<p>                                 Dates      Right track   Wrong track         Spread<br />
Daily Kos/R2000 10/26 - 10/29      42              54                    -12</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Knauss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26292</link>
		<author>Craig Knauss</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neftali says, "I’d say snuss would do rather well for himself following in Newt’s footsteps in running for office.  I'd vote for snuss."  I'm sure somebody would, somewhere.  But did you forget how many primaries Newt Ginrich did NOT win when he decided to go national?  (Did he win even one?)  And those were in his own party.  So my guess is snuss would get at least two votes, his and yours.  And probably not a lot more.  So, snuss for dog catcher!  It does have a ring to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neftali says, &#8220;I’d say snuss would do rather well for himself following in Newt’s footsteps in running for office.  I&#8217;d vote for snuss.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sure somebody would, somewhere.  But did you forget how many primaries Newt Ginrich did NOT win when he decided to go national?  (Did he win even one?)  And those were in his own party.  So my guess is snuss would get at least two votes, his and yours.  And probably not a lot more.  So, snuss for dog catcher!  It does have a ring to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Knauss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26291</link>
		<author>Craig Knauss</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26291</guid>
		<description>Gee, snuss, didn't worldnutdaily have a poll you could reference?  How about the Arian Nation?  They would have as much credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, snuss, didn&#8217;t worldnutdaily have a poll you could reference?  How about the Arian Nation?  They would have as much credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26283</link>
		<author>Pat Cunningham</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snuss: As I've pointed out time and time and time again, Rasmussen polls are highly suspect. Their methodogy is dubious, and their results often are what the people in the polling business call "outliers."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snuss: As I&#8217;ve pointed out time and time and time again, Rasmussen polls are highly suspect. Their methodogy is dubious, and their results often are what the people in the polling business call &#8220;outliers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26280</link>
		<author>Richard C</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26280</guid>
		<description>Reagan created jobs but it took him three years to do it, the biggest military build up in modern history. Something a democratic president was not done since FDR. So where will the jobs come from in the year prior to the 2012 election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan created jobs but it took him three years to do it, the biggest military build up in modern history. Something a democratic president was not done since FDR. So where will the jobs come from in the year prior to the 2012 election?</p>
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		<title>By: snuss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26274</link>
		<author>snuss</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26274</guid>
		<description>snuss,
Please tell us just who is “most Americans”?

Well, Craig, since you asked:
This is what the majority of Americans think.

Right Direction or Wrong Track
Wednesday, November 04, 2009

The majority of voters (61%) continue to believe the nation is heading down the wrong track, down slightly from last week. This finding has remained fairly consistent after dropping nine points from the week prior to the president’s inauguration. 
Source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track


Direction of Country

Poll                   Date       Right Direction     Wrong Track   Spread 
RCP Average 10/22 - 11/1       37.5            56.0                  -18.5 

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Clear enough, or do I need to draw you a picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snuss,<br />
Please tell us just who is “most Americans”?</p>
<p>Well, Craig, since you asked:<br />
This is what the majority of Americans think.</p>
<p>Right Direction or Wrong Track<br />
Wednesday, November 04, 2009</p>
<p>The majority of voters (61%) continue to believe the nation is heading down the wrong track, down slightly from last week. This finding has remained fairly consistent after dropping nine points from the week prior to the president’s inauguration.<br />
Source: <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track</a></p>
<p>Direction of Country</p>
<p>Poll                   Date       Right Direction     Wrong Track   Spread<br />
RCP Average 10/22 - 11/1       37.5            56.0                  -18.5 </p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html</a></p>
<p>Clear enough, or do I need to draw you a picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Neftali</title>
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		<author>Neftali</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26270</guid>
		<description>Newt Gingrich was House Minority Whip for 4 years, and Speaker of the House for 4 years.  I'd say snuss would do rather well for himself following in Newt's footsteps in running for office.

I'd vote for snuss.

As far as the post goes, Reagan rescued the economy by applying Conservative principles.  Yet you liberals say Obama is going to rescue the economy by pushing radical left agenda?  That's funny. Will you guys be here all week? Don't forget to tip your waitress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt Gingrich was House Minority Whip for 4 years, and Speaker of the House for 4 years.  I&#8217;d say snuss would do rather well for himself following in Newt&#8217;s footsteps in running for office.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d vote for snuss.</p>
<p>As far as the post goes, Reagan rescued the economy by applying Conservative principles.  Yet you liberals say Obama is going to rescue the economy by pushing radical left agenda?  That&#8217;s funny. Will you guys be here all week? Don&#8217;t forget to tip your waitress!</p>
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		<title>By: expdoc</title>
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		<author>expdoc</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/06/jobless-rate-poll-numbers-spell-doom-for-reagan-er-i-mean-obama/#comment-26268</guid>
		<description>I'm not blaming him for anything.  I am questioning his far left agenda and worried about the damage it will do to our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not blaming him for anything.  I am questioning his far left agenda and worried about the damage it will do to our country.</p>
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