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November 10th, 2009 at 10:42am Pat Cunningham
 
With REMARKS LIKE THESE, Pat Robertson is inviting people like me to remind everyone of the time he and Jerry Falwell blamed America for 9/11 (see HERE).
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40 Comments Add your own
1. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Pat Robertson is a horrible human being. This is made worse by the fact that he actually thinks he is a good man. Judge not Pat R., judge not.
2. gowader | November 10th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Quentink, you are an idiot!!! Islam is a political force dedicated to the destruction of Israel and America. Who helped their friend Obama get elected in the first place??
You don’t know history and you don’t know the future. Good luck with you, your gonna need it.
3. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
gowader, you are an idiot!!! Christianity is a political force dedicated to the destruction of Israel and America. Who helped their friend W get elected in the first place?
You don’t know history and you don’t know the future. Good luck with you, your gonna need it.
4. SNuss | November 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
In Islamic regimes, Islam is BOTH government AND religion. Sharia law comes from the Quran. That is the system that Islamo-fascists want world-wide! So, yes, it IS a political system.
5. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Snuss is correct. Islam is both. Countries like Afghanistan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran are over 98% Muslim. Their governing bodies and laws are heavily reflective on the Koran.
I should also point out that the United States is not based upon Christianity. Rather it was based on freedom of religion, or even freedom from religion if you prefer.
QuentinK - Your post in number 3 is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. I guess Christians did not help elect Clinton or Obama according to your statement. And just how the Hell are Christians destroying America and Israel? Most Americans are Christians. Most Democrats are Christians. Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. In conclusion, you are, in fact, the idiot. Feel free to repent.
6. Pat Cunningham | November 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Robertson’s not wrong in saying Islam is a political system. But he IS wrong in saying it’s not a religion.
Nor can it rightly be said that Christianity is only a religion and not a political system. Christianity is a bunch of political systems, you might say. Many of its various denominations push for what they see as desirable political reforms. But, of course, they don’t all push in the same direction — because they don’t all agree on what’s desirable. Some, for example, are more theocratic-minded than others.
These differences among Christian denominations are why I’ve often argued that there is no such thing as “the Christian point of view.” Ideologically (even theologically), Christians are all over the place.
7. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
This editorial offers an interesting take on this topic and how it relates to the recent shootings in Texas and the greater war on terror that we are currently fighting.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574525831785724114.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
To hear this, and numerous other such pronouncements of recent days, was to be reminded of all those witnesses to the suspicious behavior of the 9/11 hijackers who held their tongues for fear of being charged with discrimination. It has taken Maj. Hasan, and the fantastic efforts to explain away his act of bloody hatred, to bring home how much less capable we are of recognizing the dangers confronting us than we were even before September 11.
8. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Yep insulting Islam is just fine to the right. But insulting Christianity? How dare anybody. I changed two words in gowaders rant which NOBODY condemned. Interesting huh?
netfali- “And just how the Hell are Christians destroying America and Israel?”
Well to start with, how about the fairy tale that there IS a hell. Some boogey man story used to scare people into acting ‘right’. What a crock. Feel free to believe as you want but thanks to the brilliant fore sight of the fore fathers this is NOT a Christian government. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Oh yeah. Tax religions like any other business. Why should they get a free ride?
9. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Oh one more thing. I doubt Pat, Shawn, etc. agree with me on taxing religion or my view of religion in general. That is absolutely fine with me. You see I like to have varying opinions and viewpoints on which to base a coalition that drives to serve the greater good. To me that is what a democracy is. But the right seems to see the need to force everyone onto the same page. to toe the line. That to me is fascism.
no thanks.
10. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Fascism-A political regime, usually totalitarian, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. …
Sounds something like where we are headed in the good old U.S of A.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574522680235765894.html
The typical argument for ObamaCare is that it will offer better medical care for everyone and cost less to do it, but occasionally a supporter lets the mask slip and reveals the real political motivation. So let’s give credit to John Cassidy, part of the left-wing stable at the New Yorker, who wrote last week on its Web site that “it’s important to be clear about what the reform amounts to.”
Mr. Cassidy is more honest than the politicians whose dishonesty he supports. “The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment,” he writes. “Let’s not pretend that it isn’t a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won’t. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind.”
Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of “making the United States a more equitable country” and furthering the Democrats’ “political calculus.” In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run.
This explains why Nancy Pelosi is willing to risk the seats of so many Blue Dog Democrats by forcing such an unpopular bill through Congress on a narrow, partisan vote: You have to break a few eggs to make a permanent welfare state. As Mr. Cassidy concludes, “Putting on my amateur historian’s cap, I might even claim that some subterfuge is historically necessary to get great reforms enacted.”
No wonder many Americans are upset. They know they are being lied to about ObamaCare, and they know they are going to be stuck with the bill.
11. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
QK - I just ignored gowader’s post. But Islam has nothing to do with the destruction of America or Israel.
So the belief of Hell is destroying America? That still makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, the punishment of eternal damnation keeps some people in check.
As far as taxing religions, there is thing called the separation between Church and State…perhaps you’ve heard of it. I would also suggest you familiarize yourself with 501(c)(3) of the IRS tax code.
How is the right forcing everyone onto the same page? The Democrats are the ones who want a single payer system. The Democrats are the ones envious of the mega-rich and want to tax them more to keep everything on an even keel. Its Republicans who generally believe in individual freedom from government control.
Conclusion - You’re still an idiot.
12. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
For those of you liberals out there who raged several days ago about Bush not visiting Dover and the non-issue of Obama’s photo op at Dover. Read this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/george-w-bush-laura-bush-fort-hood-nidal-malik-hasan.html
Last night former President George W. Bush and his wife Laura made a secret visit to the devastated military families at Fort Hood.
The Bushes instructed the commander of the mourning military base that they wanted no publicity. With their Secret Service detail, Bush and his wife made the 30 mile trip unannounced from their ranch near Crawford, Texas Friday evening.
Fox News broke news of the visit this afternoon. Other sources said the former first couple spent about two hours meeting with the wounded, family and soldiers, talking quietly and at times hugging them as they did in private at other times of crisis such as post-9/11.
Most presidents come to feel a genuine respect and affection for the people they lead as commander-in-chief and sometimes the affection is reciprocated.
Many base workers and residents on Fort Hood are still reeling from the shooting this week by Major Nidal Malik Hasan that killed 13 people and wounded dozens of others. (See video below.)
The White House announced today the Obamas plan to attend a memorial service there on Tuesday. Some foreign news reporters have begun to write unflattering comparisons of the emotional Bush vs the ever-cool, possibly cold Obama.
13. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
And this from the UK which NAILS IT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6520286/Bloodless-President-Barack-Obama-makes-Americans-wistful-for-George-W-Bush.html
“More serious perhaps was Mr Obama’s strange disconnectedness over the Fort Hood massacre of 13 soldiers by an Army major and devout Muslim who opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, had praised suicide bombing and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he opened fire.
Maybe Mr Obama had been reading the American press, much of which somehow contrived to present the atrocity as a result of combat stress due to soldiers going on repeated war deployments (though Major Nadal Hasan had not been on any) and therefore, no doubt, Mr Bush’s fault.
When the television networks cut to the President, viewers listened to him spend more than two surreal minutes talking to a gathering of Native Americans about their “extraordinary” and “extremely productive” conference, pausing to give a cheery “shout out” to a man named Dr Joe Medicine Crow. Only then did he briefly and mechanically address what had happened in Texas.
On Friday, when most of the basic facts were available, Mr Obama tried again. It was scarcely any better. He began by offering “an update on the tragedy that took place” - as if it was an earthquake and not a terrorist attack from an enemy within - and ended with a promise for more “updates in the coming days and weeks”. “
14. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I did happen to hear 90% of the speech that the President gave today and thought that he did a fine job.
15. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
expdoc - I missed the President’s speech, but his statement that Nidal Hassan may have “cracked under stress” is disgusting.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/unreal-obama-hasan-may-have-%E2%80%98cracked%E2%80%99-from-%E2%80%98stress%E2%80%99/
This whole situation just reeks. The losers at media matters are attacking right wingers. Its the media matters people that are the ones cracking under stress. If anything, it was the fear of political correctness that preventing soldiers from reporting this guy as someone to possibly be investigated. And just how much did the FBI and CIA really know about this guy? Why didn’t they act? The blame falls squarely on the massive incompetence of the Obama administration.
16. SNuss | November 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
expdoc sez: “As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run.”
Don’t you mean the party of BIGGER government? The majority of Conservatives want the Federal government to adhere to it’s Constitutional mandates, no more, and no less.
17. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Netfali- Exactly. You ignored gowader’s idiotic statement because he used the words ISLAM and OBAMA. Then you attacked my identical, equally idiotic statement because I swapped them for CHRISTIANITY and W. Hypocrisy.
Pat Robertson’s brand of Christianity is NOT a religion. It is a business. A politically motivated sham, but a business. It should be taxed as such. Hypocrisy.
Oh my. Eternal damnation. How scary. I wonder if the easter bunny will be there?
18. expdoc | November 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
QK,
I am interested by your continued mocking of religion. Why such a hater?
19. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
No Quentin. You have no idea what I think or what my motives are. Don’t be such a pompous ass and claim that you do. I simply like picking on your feeble mind more than gowarder’s.
20. gowader | November 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Can anyboby remember their European History lessons. There was a time when Islam pretty much captured all of Europe and Asia. Only when certain Christian Crusaders pushed them back into their own turf, did peace come.
So don’t tell me the Koran does not preach world domination and death to Israel. This battle goes way back to Ishmael and Issac many many thousands of years. Can anyone tell the story from the very begining?????
21. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
gowader - I’m certainly no where near an expert on the Koran, but this guy appears to have a different opinion than yours.
http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html
22. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The crusades happened before there was a religion called Islam. The crusades were just one time we invaded the middle east in the name of Christianity.
My problem with religion is mostly just how hypocritical most people are that say they’re ( insert denomination here) but their actions prove otherwise. Netfali is for instance NOT a christian. He mocks, he judges, he hates, he does not love his fellow man. But I bet he THINKS he is a christian. Religion is a cop out and I see way too many people hide behind it’s foul cloak and think themselves somehow better than everyone else. It gets down to the same old theme. Hyopcrisy. Now spirituality, there is the real thing.
23. gowader | November 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Quentink!!! Just as I thought, you know nothing about history or what you are talking about.. Islam has been around for many thousand years, let me explain!!!
God promised Abraham and his dissendents that he would be their God for eternity. And he made a covenant with Abraham. Thus the begining of the Jewish people. Many years BC.
But Abraham was over 100 years old and his wife Sarah was 90. Neither could have children. That kinda screwed up Gods plans, so they thought. But God promised them a son to carry on the blood line. But they did not beleive.
Now pay attention here. Sarah gave Abraham permission to have sex with his servant girl so they could have a baby. They did have a baby but Sarah eventually got jealous. God also said no, because he already said Abraham and Sarah would have a child.
Well the baby from the servant girl was called , none other than Ishmael the father of Islam. Sarah forced them into the wilderness (modern day Saudi Arabia)with only one days worth of water and food.
Abraham and Sarah eventually had a son and named him Issac. He would eventually be the descendent of Jesus himself.
Now do you see why there is so much hatred in the Middle East. Islam beleives they are the rightful heirs to Gods empire. They hate they Jews with a passion, and rightfully so,
You should really study history and the Bible. It is fun.
24. Richard | November 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
2. Richard | November 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Quinten, I believe that you are such a KNOB that you can not help talking out your arse of topics which you know nothing about. Your just a KNOB.
Neftali and I do not see eye to eye on many things when it comes to religion or morality. I do not believe in many things that he may say. But who am I? I for sure am one not with out sin, myself.
I voice my opposition to some of what may say……….but that is all it is. A voice of opposition. I have never claimed to be perfect nor have I ever heard that come from Neftali. If he says something that I disagree with him on? I may cast a few stones his way. But that is it.
Yes, I do look to my religion to try and be the best person that I can be. I believe in the 10 commandments. I can recognize right from wrong. Being that I am not perfect…………I need the church as others should.
Quinten……..since you mock religion and refer to it as a cloak of hypocrisy. Who is the real hypocrite here? What do you base what is right and what is wrong? How can anything be moral or even immoral? The 10 commandments should not have any play with you as they have nothing to do with science and religion is just a cloak of hypocrisy…..so please explain how you can make a decision of right and wrong? Please stand up and take the award of who the real hypocrite is. You are true to form of Far Left Liberals. And Mike was wrong to refer to the left as the Party of Satan? Go figure!!
Then again. Has Mike been banned? I have seen nothing of him since Pat made his treat to ban him for his offensive references to the left on God and Religion.
Are you out there Mike?
25. Neftali | November 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
QuentinK - gowader is correct.
“The Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
As for my own beliefs, you are wrong (again). I follow Deism. I certainly mock, and occasionally preemptively judge, but I don’t hate anyone. You really should stop claiming to know what I, or what anyone else, thinks or believes. It only makes you look even more stupid. I would never be so crass to do the same to you, or anyone else.
26. Pat Cunningham | November 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Richard: Mike has not been banned.
27. Pat Cunningham | November 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Neftali: You and your cruddy friends at Gateway are the ones who are disgusting.
Of course the shooter cracked under stress. Do you think he went on that shooting spree just for the laughs? Clearly, he was stressed out by fanaticism or mental illness or both.
Jeez, you Obamaphobes are just plain nuts. It’s disgusting.
28. Richard | November 10th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Pat says……Of course the shooter cracked under stress. Do you think he went on that shooting spree just for the laughs? Clearly, he was stressed out by fanaticism or mental illness or both.
How about the fact that he is a Muslim who wanted to do harm to America. The pure fact that he is just plain evil?
Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque that was led by radical imam who turned out to be a “spiritual advisor” to three hijackers of 9/11. According to the report, Hasan attended a mosque in Great Falls, Virginia in 2001 at the same time as two of the 9/11 terrorists. The imam is a man named Anwar al-Awlaki. He is known for, among other things, supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organizations.
As investigators look at Hasan’s motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.
Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.
Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an “al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers… who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen”.
But you are right Pat. Clearly Hasan was just stressed out…..what a line of garbage Pat
29. QuentinK | November 10th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
gowader- Abraham and Sarah eventually had a son and named him Issac. He would eventually be the descendent of Jesus himself.
So Jesus did have kids huh? Cool.
Richard-How could I be a follower of Satan when I don’t believe in him.
Morality is separate from religion. Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc. I see all these people battling each other, sometimes to the death over who is God’s ‘chosen’ people. If the only reason you do the ‘right’ thing is the hope of some big reward you are doing it for the wrong reason. Morality is it’s own reward. You do not do the right thing BECAUSE of God or in SPITE of God but REGARDLESS of God.
30. gowader | November 11th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Quentink, Forgive my poor pronunciation. Issac was a descendent to Jesus. In other words he was several years ahead of Christ and a patron in Jewish culture.
31. gowader | November 11th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Quentink,, One more thing, Richard is right about you. You are a follower of Satan and you didn’t even know it until now. You are either in or out with God. Not trusting in Christ automatically puts you outside looking in. You will be held accountable for any beleif other than Christ. You had better get with the program and accept the fact that Jesus 243169is the one and only way.
32. Pat Cunningham | November 11th, 2009 at 7:56 am
gowader: Cool it with the Satan stuff, nutball. I’m tired of you and Richard and mike sanctimoniously evangelizing here. You guys are cartoonish stereotypes of religious bigots. Moreover, as I’ve said here on numerous occasions, none of you is well-versed on religious history or scholarly interpretations of scripture. You just spout dimwitted, bigoted platitudes.
33. Iowa Foxy | November 11th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Roberstson\’s comment was kind of like the Administrations comment that Fox is not a news organization.
34. gowader | November 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Come on Pat! I did not mean to strike a nerve in you and Quentink (yes I did) I thought you were the type of guy who could handle a good debate. I was simply quoating the words of Christ himself. So I quess you need to deal with him on this one. It is way above my pay grade.
35. QuentinK | November 11th, 2009 at 9:30 am
gowader- funny now you speak for Jesus? Okeedokee. You rants do sound exactly the Muslim extremists you fear so much. The only difference is your prophets’ name. Not believing in Satan, he doesn’t actually scare me that much. Besides I live in the same world as Dick Cheney. Now THAT is scary.
Jesus seemed like a pretty cool guy from what I read. I have a good friend here in Rockford, Stanley Campbell who works endlessly helping to feed the hungry, house the homeless and correct injustices. He represents the best of Christianity to me.
Then I look to the east side and see ugly corporate churches prying dollars from their patrons with fear tactics and guilt. All so they can build bigger, uglier monoliths to themselves These are the money changers that Jesus rallied against. if Jesus were to show up in Rockford I bet it would be on seventh street, not Spring Creek and Mulford.
36. Richard | November 11th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Gowader….as you can see by Pats post. Bash religion… good. Belittle religion and refer to it as a cloak…..great. Bash religion to further an immoral agenda even better. Not a word from Pat.
Bring up facts that Pat can not refute with the Bible. Even show that one of his HENCHMAN is talking silly?…….Off with your head. Still no word from Mike………..Pat says that he only threatened to ban you Mike…..lol
What ever you do Gowader. Do not make the Party of Tolerance uncomfortable. Just their tolerance goes towards immoral behavior and their wishes. Go figure, eh? Now you can see how they get so offended with being called the Party of Satan.
37. gowader | November 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
QuentinK! As usual you are the one judging people. I live on 4th street just 3 blocks from 7th, down in the hood. And people like Stanley Campbell make me want to vomit. Sure he helps people and says he follows Jesus. But with him and the liberals anything goes. There are limits to their actions, sex drugs and rock n roll is their theme. You guys just do not get it.
38. YWN | November 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Yo, Pat,
Why Islam is not a religion?
Coz it showed you and your likes as who you truly are = Manicheans disguised as Christians = NOT Monotheists -
For when you and your ilk equate Jesus with the One God of Abraham you end up positing TWO GODS – One is GOOD = your Sweet_Jeezus_God – the other is the Evil God = your Satan whom you and your ilk are so fond of talking about -
In short, what does not look like your Jeezus_God you deem it to be of the Devil – be it Muslim or Buddhist, etc.-
Go figure ~
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For those interested in Christian Monotheism as opposed to Pat’s and his likes Christotheism, here is a MUST READ book:
Radical Monotheism and Western Culture
Helmut Richard Niebuhr
Can be found at Google’s books -
39. shawnnews | November 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I am starting to understand the argument for taxing religions although the sources I’ve heard it from are usually snide — Richard Dawkins is the first example.
I would be fine with the taxing of religious enterprises since I believe regulation and oversight keeps everyone honest. There are very little checks and balances in religions. I think having to open the books to the public of where the money goes in any religion. I also would require the same of non-for-profits for the same reason.
A not for profit organization is still a business.
40. Moss | November 12th, 2009 at 2:37 am
I agree with Pat. Islam is a poisonous, predatory, supremacist, totalitarian political ideology masquerading as a religion.
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