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• 1. FrankyG  |  November 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

  Headlines Today….
  Climategate: ‘Greatest scandal in modern science’…
  Call for Congressional investigation…
  Paper: Junk science exposed among climate-change believers…

  Climate = Same as it ever was Pat…Skys not Falling Pat

  Ps…Great Eastwood Movie by the way.

• 2. Mike Carroll  |  November 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

  If you’re a global-warming cheerleader, this is probably over your head:

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704888404574547730924988354.html

• 3. FrankyG  |  November 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

  All news networks Except Fox ignoring Climategate…DISGRACE!

• 4. Pat Cunningham  |  November 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

  Mike Carroll: You offer a link to a WSJ piece on the so-called scandal that has all the global-warming deniers wetting themselves with delight. It’s nonsense, as I noted the other day (http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2009/11/22/wingnuts-mistakenly-celebrate-what-they-see-as-undoing-of-global-warming-theories/) and the WSJ piece does nothing to refute the contentions of the vast majority of climate scientists.

  Doesn’t it embarrass you to be on the side of the flat-earthers? Worse yet, you’re on the side of Franky G., who buys that ClimateGate crap hook, line and sinker.

• 5. FrankyG  |  November 24th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

  Green….the NEW RED…LMAO

• 6. Mike Carroll  |  November 24th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

  Pat-I think you are being a mite premature. Let’s see how this plays out. I did not state, nor does the WSJ piece, that the email revelations were probative but they certainly do raise questions that I would think the MSM and this administration would want to pursue. After all, wasn’t this the Administration that was going to return science to the forefront over ideology? Perfect time to demonstrate that determination or is there perhaps a fear of where it would lead. Just Asking.

• 7. FrankyG  |  November 24th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

  By the way pat….the scientific consensus at the time they thought the world was flat was that the world was flat soooooo that makes you and yours the FLAT-Earthers buddy…

  It was the White- Euro Alfa-Male(s) you libs so Despise that sailed the ocean blue and discovered a round earth and a “NEW” world to discover or destroy (however you Libtards look at it)
  Paid for and financed by a catholic country without separation of church and state.

• 8. Neftali  |  November 24th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

  In response to Mike Carroll’s post #6 above, it looks like Obama is in fact kicking off a major science education initiative, and it actually looks really cool.

  http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/obama-kicks-off-massive-science-education-effort/

  BTW…bad astronomy is an awesome blog.

  As far as man made global warming…I still have my doubts.

• 9. Pat Cunningham  |  November 24th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

  mike: Your grasp of science is no better than your grasp of theology, which is no better than your grasp of true patriotism, Traitor Boy. The vast majority of the world’s climate scientists say there IS human-caused global warming, and they say it’s getting worse. But, of course, you and Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge and Glenn Beck know better. Oh, yeah, and Franky G. I almost forgot Franky.

• 10. Pat Cunningham  |  November 24th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

  Mike Carroll: I think you and Neftali, more than any other contributors here, would find worthy observations in a piece by James Joyner to which I linked in my previous post on the so-called ClimateGate scandal. Joyner is hardly a zealot on the matter of global warming, as his piece explains. But he makes some pretty good points about science, consensus and truth. Check it out: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hacked_climate_scientists_emails_reveal_truth_/

• 11. Pat Cunningham  |  November 24th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

  One other thing about ClimateGate: I have yet to see how this so-called scandal has disproven the fundamental arguments advanced by the majority side in the global-warming debate. All I see is right-wingers excitedly declaring that certain e-mails put the lie to the whole deal. No evidence, just excited declarations. I eagerly await the peer-reviewed scientific papers that support the crazy conclusions to which Michelle Malkin and Matt Drudge have jumped. I’m afraid, however, that I won’t live that long.

• 12. Mike Carroll  |  November 24th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

  I read the link Pat and he puts forth a decent argument even while admitting that climate science is not his field of expertise. I trust you noticed his final conclusions-
  “I tend to believe the vast preponderance of scientists who say the climate is changing and that human technology is a significant variable in said change
  I tend to be skeptical of radical government-mandated fixes”

  Me too.

• 13. DingDong  |  November 24th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

  Stop trying to ague with dimwit Pat. I am not even sure he ever took a science course or understands the difference between a theory or fact. They have already proven the computer models for global warming do not work. Now that we have cooling they explain it away by saying that it is going get warmer quicker when it starts warming. I thought we had so much power of the temperature of the planet? How could the planet cool itself? This is the same group that outlawed DDT, which in effect has killed millions of people.

• 14. tex  |  November 24th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

  Dingdong
  You are a bigger idiot than I thought if you think DDT is a good thing. Why don’t you show us the proof that millions have died by outlawing DDT. The truth is that DDT is a nasty chemical that is responsible for many bad medical conditions, and for the near extinction of many species on this planet. Luckily, you have the left who put an end to it’s use.
  If the right had it’s way we would continue on this path of polluting this planet with global warming, pollution, and over population. All for more money in your pockets. But that is the legacy you don’t mind leaving to your grandchildren. The right has destroyed their economic future, you might as well go all out and ruin the planet also. All in the name of selfish greed. Now, any of you idiots, tell me you care about this planet, or your grandchildren. Or show me how far we can push this population, to where everything is just fine. And don’t forget. The left has already had to curb pollution for you.

• 15. Richard C  |  November 25th, 2009 at 4:26 am

  The climate has been changing for billions of years. There has been some theories that global warming helped make man walk up-right to search for food(a Nova episode). Either way get used to it, its here to stay and will be here long after we are gone. If you go back far enough( 12,000 years) there used to be a glacier right here, about a half a mile thick. So the present warm-up started around the time the Pharaohs started building pyramids, so lets just blame them.

  On a more personal note, I can’t wait for warmer winters.

• 16. Mike Carroll  |  November 25th, 2009 at 7:35 am

  Uh Tex, DingDong is quite right concerning DDT. Millions have died needlessly of malaria in 3rd world countries because of the ban. A little research on your part might be helpful.

• 17. tex  |  November 25th, 2009 at 8:08 am

  Mike Carroll
  Maybe you should do a little more research. This is a quote.

  Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana characterizes this notion as a “myth” promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM) in service of his anti-regulatory, free market ideology.[107]

  So to say millions have died can not be proven. It depends on what your agenda may be.

  There are several other insecticides that have taken the place of DDT. And DDT is still in use in some of the 3rd world countries you speak of.

• 18. Mike Carroll  |  November 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am

  Tex-I have-WHO a good enough source for you. Hardly an unbridled tool of capitalism

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118722940723299229.html

• 19. tex  |  November 25th, 2009 at 9:47 am

  Mike Carroll
  Those people have died in 3rd world countries despite the fact that DDT is still being used there, not because it has been banned. I have traveled both coasts of South America, and contracted malaria despite the fact DDT was used back then.
  And you are welcome to quote the Robber Baron Journal, and use DDT in your home if you like. The problem I have is the right wing looking for excuses to justify the continued pollution of this planet. The rightwing philosophy is to deny anything which may cost them money. The future generations be damned. They don’t mind using up all the natural resources, denying global warming, polluting in the name of capitalism, and over populating (creates more customers).

• 20. DingDong  |  November 25th, 2009 at 11:35 am

  Sorry no-TEX, you don’t get it. Here is an interesting article on what happened in KwaZulu Natal province of South Africa after they stopped using DDT, this is from the NIH.

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC406307/?tool=pmcentrez

  It does stop all malaria, it reduces it, just like any pesticide. Your even more of an idiot TEX. DDT is what practically eradicated Malaria from the United States. We used to have malaria as far north as Boston. So yes it does work and has been proven (QED).

• 21. tex  |  November 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

  DingDong
  Once again you have proven you are the idiot. Malaria was eradicated from the northern U.S. in the early 20th century by draining or poisoning breeding grounds. Not by DDT. That came into use in 1939. True it was used in the south to eliminate malaria there by 1951. Tropical malaria was also successfully controlled by draining and poisoning breeding grounds. Had they returned to that method after discontinuing the use of DDT there would not have been an increase in malaria deaths. So you cannot use that as an excuse to continue to pollute this planet.

• 22. Mike Carroll  |  November 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

  Tex

  “Most men, when they think they are thinking, are merely rearranging their prejudices.”

• 23. tex  |  November 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

  Mike Carroll
  Thank you! Same to you!!

  “The truth is what works.”

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