Religious rightist likens Mark Kirk and five other Republicans to Benedict Arnold for voting to repeal DADT


Mark Kirk, an Illinois Republican who’s been in the U.S. Senate barely long enough to learn the protocols of the Cloak Room, already has earned condemnation from our old friend Bryan Fischer.

Fischer, director of issues analysis for the American Family Assocation and a regular purveyor of crackpot rhetoric, is one of our Applesauce favorites (see HERE and HERE).

And now Fischer has his undies in a bunch over yesterday’s vote by Mark Kirk and five other Senate Republicans to end a GOP filibuster against repeal of the don’t-ask-don’t-tell policy in the U.S. military.

Fischer spares no vitriol in his VITUPERATION on this matter. He likens Kirk and company to Benedict Arnold (above). He calls them “traitors to national defense.”

And, in a fit of erotic fantasy, Fischer asks: “What young man wants to voluntarily join an outfit that will force him to shower naked with males who have a sexual interest in him and just might molest him while he sleeps in his bunk?”

Is this guy weird or what?

UPDATE: Here’s some more garbage from the Religious Right about the repeal of DADT:

Military chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt SAYS:

Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with everlasting destruction. Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment, before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Peter  LaBarbera of  Americans for Truth About Homosexuality SAYS:

If the lame-duck Congress succeeds in ‘gaying down’ our military this weekend, it will take a disastrous leap toward “mainstreaming” deviant, sinful homosexual conduct – not just in the military but in larger society — thus further propelling America’s moral downward spiral.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, SAYS:

Today is a tragic day for our armed forces. The American military exists for only one purpose – to fight and win wars. Yet it has now been hijacked and turned into a tool for imposing on the country a radical social agenda. This may advance the cause of reshaping social attitudes regarding human sexuality, but it will only do harm to the military’s ability to fulfill its mission.

The American Family News Network SAYS:

The conservative legal group, Alliance Defense Fund, issued a statement after the vote saying “The Senate’s cave-in to pressure from activists to impose homosexual behavior on our military will place our troops’ religious liberties in unprecedented jeopardy. Indeed, the first official casualty of this hurried vote may well be the religious freedom of chaplains and Service members.” ADF Litigation Counsel, Daniel Blomberg, went on to say ” no Americans, and especially not our troops, should be forced to abandon their religious beliefs.”

Meanwhile, the vast majority of the American people support repeal of DADT.



  1. While this guy is a weirdo, I do wonder how the military will deal with the shower issue.

    I doubt they allow female soldiers to shower with male soldiers for various reasons. Would they not want to do the same thing with gay soldiers? Four different showers or shower sessions will probably be a reality as well as some other very practical changes.

  2. Doc who cares if the other guy is gay. Not like they haven’t been showering with gays already. Not sure why shower time will be an issue now. Well unless you believe we had no gays serving in the military before this.

    We could also look at how other countries handle the issue of showers. Not like we are the first country to allow gays to serve. Once again we are behind the world on basic civil rights.

    How does the hospital handle the other gay doctors? Are they allowed in the same bathroom as you? How do you stop them from touching you? Maybe you can offer some tips on how to avoid the gay touching.

  3. Joe,

    If the military currently separates male and female soldiers, why would they not also separate gay soldiers?
    Either we all shower together or we believe that you should be segregated from those you may be sexually attracted to physically.

    This might particular apply to all men because there is very good science showing that the male sexually response is more keyed on visual cues than the female response.

  4. Mike Carroll

    I will admit that I struggle with the issue of gay rights. I am fine with Civil Unions but would not support gay marriage. I don’t demonize those that feel differently. It is just not a big issue for me.
    In the same vein, I think it is time to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. However, I think the criticism of McCain and others is wrong since this repeal will have an effect on military cohesiveness and those that deny it are either badly mistaken or just disingenuous.
    That same argument was used against the full integration of blacks into the military in the 40s. A legitimate concern certainly but wrong then and wrong now.

  5. Government has no business in deciding what defines marriage. Its an individual choice. If two gays get married by a person of faith of their choosing, so be it. Civil Unions are dumb. Legalize gay marriage already. I can’t believe people that call themselves “Conservatives” think government should step in and tell two people they can’t get married. Its asinine. It really goes against what Conservatism is all about, namely limited government.

    And to hell with that Bryan Fischer freakzoid. Mark Kirk is awesome.

  6. Let’s not forget how things were before DADT, a mere 17 years ago. Everybody served and generally everybody got by.
    Don’t make the assumption that every gay guy in the military is going to stand and leer at everyone else in the shower – that’s ridiculous. There are rules to be followed in the military. You break them, you’re punished or discharged – gay or straight.
    If a straight man can’t deal with having gay men in his unit, then he needs to grow up or find something else to do.

  7. I agree with you rkfdbred, rules will be made and if they are broken people will be punished, but they will be broken. Just looking for a little consistency in thought, that’s all.

  8. Bill O'Rights

    I think the first two words in the headline “Religious Rightist” says it all. Religious fanatics whether they’re Islamists, Christians, Jews or Druids are all a bit scary. I’d be more concerned about serving with some right wing nut than I would be serving with some gay guy. I’ve never, ever been accosted on the street, at work or at my front door by a gay. I can’t say the same about the religious right.

  9. Okay, this guy is out there. However, I am hoping that don’t ask don’t tell stays in place. I am not homophobic, however, I fear for the safety of our men and women if they were to be openly gay in the military. There is already violence amongst soldiers and I sincerely hope that someone looks at this and says “we can’t have people being openly gay in the military as it would surely put on a target on their backs.” Unfortunately, I feel our soldiers are not all of the same mind and may bring great pain to any who come out in the military,

  10. Religous rightists are just as scary as left wing zeaolots. I’m not sure I’d want to run into anyone from Code Pink and Earth First either.

  11. R. Mack Reagan

    The whole shower thing is just ridiculous. The reason they separate male and female in all cases, is due strictly because of genitalia. If any of you people have showered in any public shower room, you probably have had a gay man there. Did you get molested? Personally I think a lot of people have a high regard for themselves to think gays would want to be with them. You are going to find perverts who are gay and ones who are straight but most people when they shower are more worried about getting cleaned, than having sex. I don’t know how many of you have had to take a military shower, but your lucky to get enough time to shower. 5 minutes, then lets move it.

  12. If the whole shower thing is ridiculous then why do we insist that men and women shower separately?

  13. It is not like gays are suddenly going to be allowed in the military. They are there now and always have been. They have been showering with straight people all along. They are not suddenly going to start leering and grabbing in the showers. This is a non-issue. It only stirs up the homophobes.

  14. Mike Carroll

    Neftali-With all due respect, if you think Conservatism is strictly about limited government you are mistaken.

  15. expdoc: The argument about segregated shower arrangements is silly (although you’re hardly the first person to raise it in connection with gays serving in the military).

    Men and women shower separately in the military as well as in schools and other situations simply because of cultural taboos arising from concepts of modesty. In some isolated cultures — nudist colonies, for example, or among certain primitive tribes — such taboos don’t prevail.

    Homophobia, too, arises from cultural taboos. But those taboos are fading fast in much of the civilized world. The speed with which homophobia is fading in America is nothing short of amazing. When I was a kid, virtually every homosexual in the country was closeted. Today, millions of them are out and are accepted in the workplace and in polite society.

    The story of humanity is the story of ever-fading (or at least ever-changing) taboos When my mother was born, women didn’t dare show an ankle or an upper arm. Men’s swimsuits coverered their chests. That all seems so prudish today, doesn’t it?

  16. john.wilson

    Pat it isn’t silly, you ever been in boot camp? For that matter have you ever served?
    Well we had a guy who got wood in the shower and although no one physically abused him, he was shunned. I don’t recall if he made it through as we had a number who couldn’t hack it and it was years ago.

  17. john.wilson

    Hey Jerry you ever serve? You go through boot camp?

  18. I agree with most of your post Pat. However, I think it does a disservice to the issue without thinking about some of the practical implications of the proposed change.

  19. Orlando Clay

    expdoc writes: “Religous rightists are just as scary as left wing zeaolots [sic]. I’m not sure I’d want to run into anyone from Code Pink and Earth First either.”

    No, religious righties are scarier. You don’t see Code Pink or Earth First members shooting up churches, bombing health clinics, or protesting at soldiers’ funerals with “God Hates (insert homophobic slur here)” signs.

    Face it, Doc: Your side of the aisle has far more nut cases than mine. And that’s one big difference between Libs and Cons that makes me especially happy.

  20. john: No, I never served. I got a draft notice in December, 1963, but I flunked the physical because of a long record of asthma (including hospitalization in an oxygen tent). Under prevailing standards of those times, I couldn’t even enlist. Standards were eased some as we got more involved in Vietnam, but by then, I was opposed to the war and would not have volunteered.

    When I took the draft physical, Vietnam was not at all on my mind and wasn’t much of an issue for anyone. Most Americans at that time didn’t even know where Vietnam was. That began to change within a year or so, as the military buildup in Southeast Asia followed the so-called Gulf of Tonkin incident in the summer of ’64. By ’67, the country was deeply divided over the war, and the rest is history.

  21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_environmentalism

    In 2005 the FBI announced that the ELF, is America’s greatest domestic terrorist threat, responsible for over 1,200 “criminal incidents” amounting to tens of millions of dollars in damage to property,[20] with the United States Department of Homeland Security confirming this regarding the ALF and ELF.[21]

    Plane Stupid then was launched in 2005, in an attempt to combat the growing airport expansions in the UK using direct action with a year later the first Camp for Climate Action being held with 600 people attending a protest called Reclaim Power converging on Drax Power Station in North Yorkshire and attempted to shut it down. There were thirty-eight arrests, with four breaching the fence and the railway line being blocked.[22][23]

    Radical environmentalism has been called a new religious movement by Bron Taylor (1998). Taylor contends that “Radical environmentalism is best understood as a new religious movement that views environmental degradation as an assault on a sacred, natural world.”[18][24]

  22. Jim Yeager

    expdoc: Never in my life have I defended Earth First or any of the extreme environmentalist groups; in my opinion, they do more harm than good. Their extreme tactics give an easy out for anti-environmentalists to ignore the scientific arguments raised by rational environmentalists.

    However, I would sincerely hope that you’d agree doing property damage and blocking a railway line is in no way the moral equivalent of murder.

    After the Earth Firsters were arrested, everybody got to go home. George Tiller will never walk through his front door again.

  23. I have never defended any of the crazies on the right or the left. But they exist and they always will be crazy.

  24. Jim Yeager

    expdoc: You may not defend crazies on the left or the right, but you certainly tried to equivocate them.

  25. shawnnews

    John.Wilson — This site for teens — military age– says it’s normal for people to get erections whether they are sexually aroused or not especially people going through puberty. As I remember, puberty lasts until the late 20s, overlapping the time you had in boot camp. The guy that was shunned probably just had a uncontrollable erection.
    In gym class we made fun of people for stuff like that but I don’t believe anyone actually thought people were gay.
    If people understtod science, sexuality and anatomy beetter they wouldn’t get worked up about it.

  26. john.wilson

    Gee thanks for the health lesson I guess I missed that growing up.
    I was never a teen, I didn’t have two boys.
    So you weren’t there in boot camp, I doubt you ever served and you have no clue do you?
    I am sorry we didn’t ask the guy if he had an uncontrollable woody everytime we went to the showers.

    You my friend know nothing, but think you know it all.

  27. Get over it, john. Whether you like it or not, openly gay men and women will now serve in the military without fear of getting bounced because of the unreasonable prejudices of pseudo-macho homophobes.

    Frankly, I’m amused at all the squirming among the would-be tough guys who just can’t deal with it.

  28. I served in the late 60’s.
    Probably due to Catholic School naivete’ it was years later I found out years that two of my best friends were gay. They served their enlistment very honorably and well. Their duties were the same as the rest of us in my unit and they performed those duties with the same degree of professionalism as we all, and better than a lot of us. I can only imagine the anguish and fear they lived with during those time.

    Had their sexual orientation been discovered, they would have been given either a dishonorable or general discharge and, in those days, that was a stigma that would have been hard to live with. I hope that, since they left the Army, their lives turned out for the best. They were good men, good soldiers, and good friends.

  29. Sorry about the couple of misplaced words in my above comment.
    One should not sit down and write immediately after clearing 2 driveways and 5 walks. Especially at my age.
    But, a beautiful snow. Wasn’t it?

  30. John.Wilson

    Pat, I don’t have a problem, so what am I suppose to get over?
    I was just pointing out my FIRST hand experience which seems to be lacking here although there are plenty who know it all with zero firsthand knowledge.
    I am sorry to say the military isn’t a 9 to 5 job, this transition will be difficult, but I am sure the military will be up to the challenge as long as progressives don’t make this a social experiment.

    Pat, yopu are sure skilled at tossing the labels around bigot this, homphobe that…

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *