Posted by Pat Cunningham on Sep 15, 2011 in Uncategorized | 41 comments
I’d love to see a point-by-point analysis of the claims made in this slickly-produced video.
Paranoid conspiratorialism is not my bag, but still…
Start with this and then watch the rest of the series broken into segments on Youtube
Did you notice last week with all the reporting on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 that there were absolutely NO reports how our biggest enemy in the last ten years is our own government? 4,000 dead overseas, tens of thousands wounded, trillions of dollars wasted, one hundred thousand civilian casualties, lost freedoms for American citizens at home (eg. the “Patriot Act” and other laws), and still no end in sight of our “foreign entanglements” as George Washington told us to stay out of?
It looks like Osama Bin Laden got just what he wanted when he attacked us. We have managed to be our own worst enemy ever since.
James Corbett of CorbettReport.com who produced this video is among my absolute favorite news-video producers today. Your request for a “point by point analysis” would require dozens of pages and several hours of in depth reading. Since I am a 911truther and am personally familiar with everything he mentioned, factually, tongue-’n-cheek and subtly, let me just highlight the major points he covered in chronological order as presented in this video: Note; Every sentence I’ve written here can easily be copied, pasted into google to find the source material involved, most are mainstream press reports from around the world and some are the result of FOIA’s and interviews by independent researchers. I will here only address the “non-government approved” narratives.
1. Osama bin Laden was reportedly treated for kidney disorder in the UAE in the summer of 2001 with the US CIA in attendance according to witnesses at the hospital
2. The pilots of all four aircraft on 9/11 were of military aircraft backgrounds.
3. Intercept Protocol on 9/11 was suspended due to an Executive Order earlier in the year that transferred authority for domestic intercepts to Donald Rumsfeld. Intercepts normally require about 10 minutes, several dozen in the prior year, but on 9/11 no intercept over the course of over one and a half hours of transponders “off”, flight-path deviation, and communication terminations on all four flights.
4. The 9/11 Commission report itself details the aberrant lifestyles of the hijackers that was entirely inconsistent with devout Muslim anything. The MSM did not investigate the problem with this.
5. Three skyscrapers collapsed on 9/11, WTC 1, 2, and 7 which was not hit by any plane. WTC 7 collapsed at near free-fall acceleration, (gravity accelerates falling objects) over 500 feet tall, 47 stories hit the ground in their own footprint in about 7 seconds.
6. The amateur pilot that performed the 270 degree “cork screw” descent failed his pilot lessons according to the trainer. This maneuver has been described by many high level commercial pilot veterans as “impossible” because of such things as “up draft” ie, 500mph 10 feet off the ground, and extreme stresses on Boeings not designed to make fighter jet maneuvers. (see Pilotsfor911Truth.org
7. Buried in news reports but confirmed by the Pentagon was that the impact there indeed hit the “newly renovated and reinforced” wing and contained only a couple of dozen staffers working to solve the $2.3 Trillion “missing” Rumsfeld mentioned on 9/10/01. One of the only survivors is April Gallop who has been attempting to sue the DoD. Her case is incredible unless you subscribe to 911truth.
8. Everyone in our government and corporate media immediately “knew”. In fact, the BBC and CNN both “knew” WTC Building 7 collapsed a full 25 minutes BEFORE it collapsed as it was standing visibly in the background, complete with time-stamp, while they both announced it. Later under pressure from researchers requesting clarification of the anomaly, the BBC “confessed” that the original tapes “went missing” from their world-class archives!
9. Bush administration had no intention of conducting any investigation. It was the “Jersey Girls”, widowed family of the attacks that worked tirelessly to demand it and 444 days later the 9/11 Commission began. It was as Corbett says, “under funded” at $15 Million compared to $45 Million for Clinton’s sexual issue, it had no subpoena powers, it was commandeered by a bushie insider Phillip Zelekow, “set up to fail” as both Keener and Hamilton wrote in their book, and a “coverup” as written by chief Commission Counsel Farmer.
10. The only “evidence” tying any hijackers to the actual attacks were the “transcriptions” of interrogations provided by the CIA who later, against a federal judge’s direct order destroyed all the tapes, over 200 such torture sessions. The FBI to this day has confirmed that the reason OBL was never listed as “wanted” for the 9/11 attacks is because they had “no hard evidence”.
11. “ABLE DANGER” was the dedicated operation tracking OBL since the Clinton presidency. It was called off in April 2001. Several terabytes of documentation and maps were ordered destroyed as Able Danger investigator Anthony Schaeffer testified to the Commission. When the Commission deleted his testimony and the chain of command refused to hear it as well, Anthony went public.
12. The 9/11 Commission Report states that they were lied to by the CIA regarding torture and foreknowledge, the Pentagon regarding NORAD’s exercises paralleling the actual attacks and the apparent “stand down” of all air defenses, the Bush administration about the chain of command and the whereabouts of those responsible for intercepts, and one not mentioned in Corbett’s report above, the FAA who acknowledged “destroying” the air traffic tapes of that critical 2 hour window.
13. The Commission stated outright that the funding of the operation was of “little practical significance” beyond all belief! Insider Trading was documented and continues to be documented and several million in “winning” bets have gone uncollected.
14. The “9/11 Victim’s Families” have published a report showing that 70% of their submitted questions to the Commission remain unanswered to this day.
15. Not one head rolled, no one in the US government or anywhere else, as a consequence of the 9/11 investigation. A crime that took the lives of tree thousand humans was “nobody’s fault” except those guys over there in those caves!
16. Commission conclusion that 9/11 was the result of a “Failure of Imagination” is contradicted by the DoD analysis back in 1975 looking into commercial aircraft used as weapons against the new WTC twin towers, contradicted by numerous documented defense drills conducted simulating hijacked aircraft directed at the Pentagon, WTC’s, DC etc.,. It was even “predicted” by a TV show, an offshoot of the X Files called the Lone Gunman in which a commercial airliner is commandeered to hit the Twin Towers… this episode was produced about 1 1/2 years Prior to 9/11/01 and can viewed on youtube. FEMA was in NY, NY on 9/10/01 precisely to test emergency responses to a “mass-casualty event”.
17. Located in the under-reported WTC7 collapse was the fact that the SEC had all investigative records of their ENRON and WORLD COM criminal cases housed within it! Of course there was in that building also the CIA’s biggest office outside Virginia along with Guliani’s “Emergency Bunker”, the Secret Service and other interesting corporate tenants.
18. NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) refuses to release data on their aberrant “computer modeling” which was used exclusively to present their models of the collapses of all three skyscrapers. Not only that, they refuse RFS’s (Request For Correction) which are required by Charter on the basis that revealing such data will “Jeopardize Public Safety”… Sure, building collapse information should only be held by secretive government agencies and not your average architect or engineer!
19. “This man should be kept secret”, as narrated by Corbett, refers to Barry Jennings, NY Housing Authority chief who testified on video that he was “blown up” from the seventh to the eighth floors along with Guliani’s coordinator, PRIOR to the collapse of either tower meaning “debris from the collapses was NOT involved, and that they had to “step over piles of dead bodies in the lobby” to get out of the building to safety. Barry Jennings dies a year ago from a “apparent heat attack” in his own home after being quoted by the original videographer/interviewer that he was under great pressure from “upper” levels to stop talking about his original 9/11 interview!
20. Thorough analysis of latent OBL videos show that it is impossible that the 2001 and prior OBL we are all familiar with could have morphed into the OBL that kept coming out later. Numerous international press reports along with many ex-Presidents, ISI directors etc., long reported that OBL died in December 2001 or February 2002.
21. The dramatic “reports” of the OBL kill fit all the makings of a pure propaganda “special”, like the Jeessica Lynch story and many others. No evidence and then they dump the body at sea “in honor of the Muslim religion” when in fact, there is clearly no such honor burial at sea in any Muslim religion. This has been sharply refuted around the globe. They also don’t mention that the OBL compound is in the exact same neighborhood as a critical and large ISI (Pakistan CIA) training base.
I’ve only addressed in these 21 points flagrant issues raised within this one video for which there is much documentation available in the public domain. I can easily bring up much more and even more powerful documentation regarding the intentional demolitions of those three highrises on 9/11, an enormous body of evidence showing nothing like a commercial airline hit the Pentagon, the ties of the Bush administration and a pre-planned goal of “Total Spectrum Dominance” written in advance of Bush’s Presidential Selection.
This subject has become a unique passion for me due to its methodical disassembly of everything I grew up believing about our system domestically, internationally, morally, constitutionally. We cannot expect to see a return to the days of “America’s Greatness” when what we’ve become is a massive criminal-military-intelligence-corporatacracy in which we have no effective influence or say. Yes, I think it’s that far down the rabit hole today, but I don’t give up hope because I know if enough people see the truth and speak up, and change their priorities accordingly, there’s nothing we can’t do.
I have only one question.
What is the Matrix?
Well, folks, as if that isn’t enough to blow your mind, try reading this article:
The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
CHARLES J. DUNLAP, JR.
This Dunlap guy must be some kind of crackpot, right?
Major General Charles J. Dunlap Jr. (born June 16, 1950) retired in February 2010  as the Deputy Judge Advocate General, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C. General Dunlap assists the Judge Advocate General in the professional oversight of more than 2,200 judge advocates, 350 civilian attorneys, 1,400 enlisted paralegals and 550 civilians assigned worldwide. In addition to overseeing an array of military justice, operational, international and civil law functions, General Dunlap provides legal advice to the Air Staff and commanders at all levels.
What’s he doing now?
Charles J. Dunlap Jr.
Visiting Professor of the Practice of Law
Executive Director, Center on Law, Ethics and National Security
P.S. He wrote the article in 1993 when he was a Lt. Colonel. Chew on that bedtime story tonight.
If you want conspiracy theories go right to the source. That, of course ,would be where the terrorists trained. The locals know more than anyone else,what was going on.
Read this: http://www.veniceflorida.com/messageboard/_disc2/000031b2.htm
Here is a page full of links to ponder. http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.html
This guy is not a nut cake. He even has a book on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316140869&sr=8-1
You may hear on the news soon that the terrorists were visiting a family in Sarasota while they trained in Venice, Fl. That family vacated the house and left everything, (cars, furniture, clothing) just before 911.That family was from Saudi Arabia. This news just came out.
Makes you wonder why GWB was in Sarasota, only a few miles from Venice, where the terrorists trained.
There is much info on these links, if you think 911 was a conspiracy.
And if you want pictures let me know. I live within a couple miles of the airport where they trained. The bar where the terrorists hung out. And the house they rented from a fireman.
Matrix, def; : something within or from which something else originates, develops, or takes form
Why didn’t you ask that question of Merriam Webster?
If you’re wondering what I think about that Hearst Corp. (globalist media moguls Inc)/NBC (Largest US Defense Contractor)/ABC (Globalist Disney) owned History Channel propaganda hit-piece against 911truth, you should actually articulate a relevant question. Globalists, those who control vast wealth and influence and who network actively and tightly with others with vast wealth and influence would never consider the implications of common folks discovering some of their more unsavory deeds and agendas, and we all know they would never conspire like the lowly wealthy from the midwest that I know who got where they are by doing just that. If you actually take consolation in such shallow attempts to dismiss the many forensic evidences and proofs against The Official Government Conspiracy Theory then you’re not a very good investigator.
Any other words I can look up for you?
Addendum: I said this in point 13. listed above;
“”13. The Commission stated outright that the funding of the operation was of “little practical significance” beyond all belief! Insider Trading was documented and continues to be documented and several million in “winning” bets have gone uncollected.”"
I neglected to mention the real money trails involving, Larry Silverstein insuring his newly acquired WTC complex against “terrorism” 3 months prior, cashing in at almost $7 Billion, and going on air and mentioning “that the smartest thing to do was, was to Pull It, and we watched the building collapse”… then there’s the “collapse” of the ENRON and WorldCom SEC investigations… then there’s the “collapse” of the concern over the missing $2.300,000,000,000.00 from the DoD… then there’s the doubling of defense and intelligence spending on taxpayer dime… then there’s the Middle Eastern Oil Plunder and the Doubling/Tripling of gas prices at the pump… then there’s the Patriot Act with its Homeland Security Apparatus complex… then there, well, more, but it totals in the multi-Trillion$$$ in War Industry Profits, much of it No-Bid as documented.
Money Trail? It is of “No Practical Significance”.
Channing – You are a genius! What are we going to do about the aliens living on the other side of the moon that have infiltrated our government? Also, I understand the world in coming to an end next year. What can we do to prepare for the coming Apocalypse? Will it be possible live in co-existence with our new alien overlords?
Also, how is Elvis, and have you spoken to him lately?
Inquiring minds want to know!
beleive it or not…everything channign says is true…look up arbusto oil…..bush and bin laden money started it together back in the 70′s…..
1. John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
2. Dallas is in Texas and George W. Bush is from Texas.
3. Therefore, George W. Bush assassinated John Kennedy.
Mike Carroll: You failed to mention that Richard Nixon was in Dallas on the day JFK was assassinated and that Gerald Ford, Nixon’s successor in the White House, who was the only president never elected to any national office, was a member of the Warren Commission, which whitewashed the whole assassination matter.
Coincidence? I think not.
If you want to know about conspiracies you need to go to the source, and that would be the locals. The terrorists learned to fly in Venice, Florida. The locals there have more facts than have gotten to the news media.
Read this: http://www.veniceflorida.com/messageboard/_disc2/000031b2.htm
This is a page of links relating to 911 and the Venice airport. This guy is not a nut cake. He has lots of facts on these links, which, if you read and understand them, you will come away wondering if our government was involved.. http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.html
This author of these links, also has a book out. It is called “Welcome to Terrorland” by Daniel Hopsicker. It has a wealth of facts to consider.
Last week in Sarasota it was discovered that the terrorists had been making several visits to a home there. The owners abandoned everything, (cars, clothes, furniture) and left, just before 911. That family is from Saudi Arabia.
Why was GWB in Sarasota the morning of the attack? Sarasota is just a few miles from Venice.
If you want any pictures let me know. I live only a couple miles from the airport where the terrorists trained, the bar where they hung out, and the home they rented from a fireman.
Venice airport is also where Oliver North was shipping arms to South America.
I guess you have to decide for yourself about a conspiracy. Do you trust your government?
Terry C: Thanks for the link to that essay. It was one of the most prescient things I’ve read since Brave New World and 1984. Simply chilling.
Milton, I ran in to that paper a few years ago. Seems the colonel wrote it while at the War College, sort of a “what if” piece. He does bring up a lot of historical threads that could possibly come together. It is definitely a thorough treatise on what could happen if we let it (sort of like Congress giving Bush carte blanche after 9/11. Like Rahm Immanuel said-you should never waste a good crisis).
For Channing and Tex:
It’s also very scary if you just think of it as our government is incredibly incompetent. I find that as scary as the involvement hypothesis.
What exactly in your comment addresses anything I wrote or that Pat Cunningham brought up in his post? Your equating genuine fact-based research on the 9/11 tragedy and so many other shallow ghost stories doesn’t do a thing to make you look rational. Did Elvis kill 3,000 people in one mass attack? Then who cares? Did those aliens you think are living on the moon kill 3,000 people? Are you scared that people today are calling for the end of the world when they’ve been doing so probably since the beginning of the world??? If you don’t like the subject as a serious direction in research, one with ramifications on us all and those around the world, why bother commenting?
It would be, in fact it was frightening for me when that “incompetence” angle emerged. This was before I analyzed the counter-research for myself. With some engineering in my background I mistakingly assumed the twin towers were primarily concrete including the exterior. When I learned their true construction in structural steel framing and with 47 massive core box-columns and 232 structural steel perimeter columns with aluminum cladding I lost a week of sleep. Though I was already against the US’ response to the attacks (I wrote a LTE to this paper in fact that was not published because I was clearly not on the War-Band-Wagon), never in my whole life could I have imagined that inside corruption would ever do this much damage in life and property.
There were two principle issues that brought the house of cards down on the “incompetence theory”:
1. No foreigner, stranger, traveler could possibly have accessed the 3 towers in advance to plan, install and execute controlled demolitions. There had to be security “help” in pulling this off. Period.
2. All the Federal agencies involved in “missing” their cues, NORAD, the FAA, FBI, CIA, NTSB, FEMA, NSA and DoD are ALL under Executive Authority. The desperation that was proved in INSTALLING monkey-Bush, a half-witted and chlid-like figure begged the question, “Who would benefit and why?”. Now we can see clearly that without numerous Executive Orders, DoD War Games, calling off the FBI, naturally channeling the CIA and NSA etc., REQUIRED a sock-puppet willing to risk discovery… keep him relatively naive, simple minded, mis-spoken in public and you have your Propaganda Cake with frosting.
There’s some good information in this thread and I want to thank Pat for venturing into it. I personally have ZERO doubt about controlled demolitions at all three WTC buildings and that alone nails the official conspiracy theory as patently false. This is because we now have all the forensic proofs we need, in peer reviewed form. I have no doubt also that a commercial airliner never went “into” the Pentagon because I’ve seen too many crash sites, but I don’t know for sure what did go in… looks like a missile and flyover from all the evidence I’ve seen. Proving Bush’s involvement is a side-track because there were many higher up and much smarter strategists with criminal motives surrounding him, namely all the signatories to the 2000 Project for a New American Century that made up his cabinet and counsel. The only way we get our constitutional liberties back at this point is to apply enough public pressure to restore Transparency in Government at all levels… Why wouldn’t the Pentagon just go ahead and release the other 98 videos they confiscated immediately following the attack? Why would NIST simply release their Computer Model Data and make everyone safer?
When you truly believe in American Values it is hard to think critically about an inside job on 9/11, going along with what we’ve been told would be far more comforting.
Channing – Your comments are absurd. Thus, they deserve a absurd comment. Picking apart the mammoth holes in your conspiracy stories is much too easy and frankly not worth my time.
When you can prove that man didn’t walk on the moon, that the earth is flat, and Elvis is still alive, then I’ll listen to you. Until such time, you deserve endless amount of ridicule.
Oh yeah….research this link. Once you’re done, read it again.
Ah, Neftali, my points are so absurd you yourself cannot pick one single one of them apart or even present in your own words any intelligible argument in favor of your Official Conspiracy Theory? You and expdoc share this trait and are the only two so far on this thread with an inability to answer Pat Cunningham’s query in presenting this. Why is that?
Name one “mammoth hole”. Don’t bother trying to do the same with the 25 or so other points I’ve made here unless you want a discussion. I’m ready.
FYI, Hearst Corp’s Popular Mechanics, Discovery Channel and History Channel all represent the Official Conspiracy Theory’s “Best Defenses” to date. We and people like Dr. David Ray Griffin who long ago published an entire book “Debunking 9/11 Debunkers” left those works in shambles by their flagrant omissions of critical details, misleading innuendo/agenda, and false evidence/narratives. Never mind conflicts of interest.
For your information everything I’ve cited in this thread was off the top of my head. I can provide hundreds of links that I’ve archived backing up what I’ve said, but you say nothing to refute a single thing said in the video, as Pat requested, much less a “point by point analysis”. The 9/11 Myth video expdoc answered Pat with didn’t address almost anything in the Corbett video, and what little it did touch on can be shown false.
Go ahead, try thinking and speaking in your own words.
This is brand new: The single most concise 15 minute mini-documentary presented by established, practicing, licensed architects including structural, engineers including structural, physicists including materials and chemical, narrated by Ed Asner without fanfare or conspiracy theory of an sort, but focused exclusively on the evidence that only points to Controlled Demolitions at all three WTC towers:
Once you realize there were controlled demolitions, you realize that advanced planning was required and the rest calls for a new Open, Forensic Investigation into the attacks on 9/11/01.
You really believe that such a massive operation,one that would have required hundreds of people to pull off, could happen, without a hitch and ten years later no one has talked?
If it was such a coordinated effort, how do you explain flight 93 and all of the conversations reported between family members and those on the doomed planes?
Take your medication,please.
Channing – Fine, I’ll waste my time answering your tin foil hat B.S.
1. I don’t understand your logic here. Are you claiming Bush and OBL were buddies and helped collaborate this together? And since they were buddies OBL got his kidneys treated? And who were these “witnesses” at the hospital? Where are the hospital records. Does OBL carry Blue Cross or Aetna insurance?
2. Again, what’s the significance here about having pilots having military background? Are you insinuating that every military pilot is a badass and can easy fight off any attacker with box cutters? Later you allege that one of the terrorist pilots flying skills basically sucks. So are you saying one or all of the military people pulled a kamakazi on each of the aircraft? So were the military pilots just incompetent, evil, or paid off? What?
3. What? Are you an expert on intercept protocols now? Where are you getting this information from? Or is it classified and you will have to kill me if you tell?
4. Who says you have to be a devout Muslim? All you have to be is stupid. There is a million possible scenarios here. Perhaps OBL promised a payoff to their families. You’re grasping at straws here.
5. WTC7 collaposed due to debris from Tower 1. The debris ignited WTC7, which had inadequate fire suppression systems. That’s from the the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY).
But I guess all those engineers were in on it. As was hundreds of people in the Bush administration required to plan the attacks. As were the hundreds of people required to set demolition to the buildings. And none of these thousands of people have admitted to anything. All this because Bush wanted to get even more rich, and Cheney, with his bad heart and all, also wanted to get more rich. Never mind that Bush hangs out in Texas in a relatively modest house for a man of his wealth. Dude, you’re a freakin’ nut. The sheer fact that you freakazoids wrote are still obsessed with this is tragic. Its not Bush and Cheney that are evil, its people like yourself and David Ray Griffin who making a living profiting off the gullibility of others which is truly abhorrent. Get a life. Seriously.
I’d really love to hear your explanation how all this went down. Was it something like this?
Bush, at his ultra-secret cabinet meeting. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Osama bin Laden are all in attendance:
Bush: “Dick, did your men wire all the explosives in the buildings in New York”
Cheney (A.k.a Vader): ” Yes, Georgie. Towers 1 and 2 were wired, and just for the hell of it, we wired tower 7, even though we’re only flying two planes into NY. Those idiots won’t know the difference. No one noticed us carrying all the thousands of pounds of explosives into the building over a period of a couple of months.”
Bush: “Well done, Dick. Osama, after all this goes down, we’re going to attack Afghanistan for a year, take out the Taliban from power, cut off all funding to your Al-Qaeda cronies, and kill off a bunch of them. Afterwards for the hell of it we’ll go beat up Iraq for their oil. You cool with this?”
OBL: “Yes sir, my friend, Bush. Also thank you for the free treatment of my kidneys. I owe you one anyway.”
Bush: “Excellent. Meeting adjourned. Oh, and Rummy, don’t forget to suspend the intercept protocols.”
Rumsfeld: “Already done.”
Bush: “And all those liberals think I’m an idiot cause I’m a “C” student. I’ll show them for making jpegs comparing me to a monkey! I’ll show them all! BWAAHAHAHA!”
“”You really believe that such a massive operation,one that would have required hundreds of people to pull off, could happen, without a hitch and ten years later no one has talked?”"
First, lots of people have talked. Ever hear of Sibel Edmonds, the single most gagged intelligence translator in US history? see this; http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/ Or just go to her own site here: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/ You probably didn’t notice that she was featured in Corbett’s video above. How about Barry Jennings who is on Video Record on 9/11/01 as a survivor of Explosions in WTC bldg 7 PRior to the collapse of either of the twin towers 1 and 2? You can see his original interview here: http://jenningsmystery.com/ But you can’t see him today because he’s dead after being told by “higher powers” to stop affirming or even speaking about it last year. Corbett’s video, being sarcastic and intended to humor the 911truth community, shows about a dozen of these “talkers” but these are but a few of the many we know of today.
Have you ever heard of the Manhattan Project? Thousands of high-profile high-level American scientists and corporations Conspired in Secret with high-level government officials across many branches to produce In Secret the world’s first Atomic Bomb. How about Operation Northwoods? Dozens of high-level government officials Conspired inn Secret to commit a False Flag Operation against Cuba to give an excuse to launch war against them. Fortunately President John F. Kennedy blatantly turned down the Joint Chiefs of Staff because it was later revealed that indeed the Soviet Union had and was prepared to use the nuclear weapons they had stationed there. I believe this is one of the biggest clues to Kennedy’s assassination that is often overlooked, but this information was not known until a few years ago when it was declassified. There are many, many Secret operations going on right now for you to find if you’ll dare to look.
Have you ever heard of “Compartmentalization”? Even with the limited classification I had in the US Navy I was aware of this. The DIA, or Defense Intelligence Agency is famous for this being directly involved in the CIA’s many coups and coup attempts around the world. They are also a prime suspect in the 9/11 tragedy as many of the PNAC crowd used it as a revolving door and that the Military Exercises at the Pentagon that diverted intercepts there on 9/11 originated there as revealed in April Gallop’s long standing lawsuit. In all probably only a couple of dozen people on planet Earth were aware of the entire plan with most “compartmentalized” on some little slice. It has even been deduced from research on the flexibility of Nano-Thermite that many of the installers of this high-tech incendiary thought they were simply spraying Primer and/or insulation on the steel structure within the elevator shafts. There was a massive year long renovation of the elevator shafts conducted in the year prior to 9/11/01 but the Port Authority “Lost the Records on 9/11″!
You only have to look for this stuff, you don’t have to be paranoid.
“”how do you explain flight 93 and all of the conversations reported between family members and those on the doomed planes?”"
As a frequent business flyer I can tell you that once you were up in the air above 3,000 feet or so no cell phones would work at the time of the attacks. Towers couldn’t keep up with your travel speed and phones had a hard time communicating through the aluminum body of the plane. It was verified several years ago by independent researchers flying their own aircraft that no phone connected above 5,000 ft and that at best only sporadic and disrupted service could possibly occur. As far as the voices reportedly cited by officials they fall into tow categories, the ones “disowned” by government in the trial of Zachariah Moussaoui where the FBI said “No cell phone connections occurred except one that last less than one second.” Further, the recordings provided by the same federal government that is prime suspect in various ways can easily “Voice Morph” anyone’s voice, including yours and mine, across any communication medium. This is proven and available technology that existed on 9/11/01. This same federal government also happened to be the Employer of the people testifying of such calls. I hypothesize though cannot prove right now that these people were never on the doomed flights and were taken undercover thereafter in exchange for their cover-op. Yes, that’s “black helecopter” stuff, but I don’t base my 9/11 False Flag conclusion on these kinds of issues and you shouldn’t base you comfort in the official conspiracy theory on it either.
Thank you for at least making specific points about the issue. Really.
Neftali, I have a project to attend to today but would like to ask you to come back and check in tonight. I will respond to your points as a discussion, but not the insults. No grudges here.
While you guys are taking a break from pummeling each other, here is a question I used to pose to my high school chemistry and physics students years ago: If you HAD to pick one, would you pick that the world is run secretly by a few hundred Machiavellian geniuses (possibly even SUPER humans, or humans more evolved than us) who cannot reveal their existence to us, lest we hunt them down to prevent our own extinction, OR that the world is run by a bunch of incompetent morons who flail about hopelessly, making the same mistakes century after century, and learning nothing from history or science? It’s a scary choice to make, and, having made your choice, it becomes pretty hard to sleep at night, no matter which one you choose.
They were talking on AIRphones not cell phones. That was the technology on 2001 and you still cannot explain it.
The Manhattan project,in which super secret technology was developed to end a World War is a whole lot different than a sinister plot to kill thousands so Dick and George could make lots of Money.
Popular Mechanics did a big piece on 9-11 conspiracy theories about five years ago. Of course, the people who believe the Republicans blew up the WTC with a controlled demolition said PM was part of the conspiracy because they were owned by Hearst Corp. All the world’s structural engineers must be in cahoots too since their just covering up evidence with bogus reports.
“”1. I don’t understand your logic here. Are you claiming Bush and OBL were buddies and helped collaborate this together? And since they were buddies OBL got his kidneys treated? And who were these “witnesses” at the hospital? Where are the hospital records. Does OBL carry Blue Cross or Aetna insurance?”"
OBL and Bushm GW anyway, were not “buddies”. OBL was an “asset” of the CIA for decades however and it may not be such a coincidence that the Bin Laden family are both friends and business partners with the Bush family, HW first, then during GW’s first business start up as primary backers. (Note again, if you simply copy what I’ve written here and paste into google you’ll find a slew of independent coverage on the subject from all kinds of sources)
The witnesses at the hospital in Dubai were physicians and staff from my recollection.
“”2. Again, what’s the significance here about having pilots having military background?”"
How many miltary pilot veterans do you know, remember there were two or three in each plane, that would give up their plane and passengers in a fight with a box cutter? And there aren’t just pilots but brave and prepared staff, most of which would sooner lay down their lives to combat short little guys with suicide plans. I’ve been on too many flights all over the world for you to tell me otherwise. Another dimension of the military backgrounds could lend itself to going undercover for the rest of their life. THe dramatic increase in Covert Ops around the globe would have demanded a prportionate increase in the available and highly skilled covert pool. Think about what’s been going on.
“”3. What? Are you an expert on intercept protocols now? Where are you getting this information from?”"
It’s public record, just like the Executive Order signed by Bush in early 2001. Being informed does not make an “expert”, but it does make a good start.
“”4. Who says you have to be a devout Muslim?”"
The 9/11 Commission and the Bush administration repeatedly said they were devout Muslims and that it was their religious zealotry that led them to “hate us for our freedoms”. Have you ever read the 9/11 Commission Report?
“”5. WTC7 collaposed due to debris from Tower 1. “”
That sentence contradicts the personal 9/11/01 Video testimony of Barry Jennings, a survivor of the Explosions in the lower levels of WTC7 PRIOR to the collapse of either tower one or two. If you watch that 10 minute video interview of Jennings on the day of the attacks you may begin to question what you’ve been told by Hearst Corp. That sentence also contradicts the expert testimony of over 1,500 architects and engineers who claim common carbon fires, whether jet fuel or office contents CANNOT melt structural steel. see; ae911truth.org
There’s too much more to go into on this thread Neftali, and I kind of chuckled about your mock-narrative of the fictional goings on at the White House, it was funny in the same way a toddler might describe how the momy and daddy just had a new baby. Beyond funny though, considering that decades long “insider” connections in deep DC Washington that all your characters have maintained, and though a simpleton’s take, it might not be as far off as you think.
My determination is not to prove anyone in particular did it, but to prove the current narrative false and to fully investigate and prosecute those found guilty in any part of it. I KNOW the narrative is provably false already, I want the truth so our nation can begin healing, Consititution, International Reputation and all.
First they said it was cell phones, ’til that was proven false because of what I mentioned. Then they said it was “seat-back” phones, but that was also proven false when it was discovered that model of Boeing DID NOT HAVE SEAT BACK PHONES… And as I mentioned above, even the FBI retracted all communications in the Moussaoui Trial, informing the Court that only one connection was ever made and it lasted less than 1 second. Go tell your good news to the FBI about those calls you think were made… It was a Made Up Story just like Jessica Lynch and many others.
Then you say the Manhattan Project was different because it involved ending a war… You said it couldn’t be done and I brought that up plus Operation Northwoods, and don’t forget about Nano-Thermite developed by DoD, sorry, I forgot, you’re not supposed to know… oops
You would want us to believe what exactly about flight 93 or any of the “made up” conversations from family members to passengers on the planes?
Were they all in on the plot?
Actors played the passengers and convinced those on the ground they were their loved ones while the actual passengers were what? Taken out back and shot?
They were loaded to planes they thought were real airliners and flown to Guantanamo?
“”You would want us to believe what exactly about flight 93 or any of the “made up” conversations from family members to passengers on the planes?”
I don’t want you to believe anything, I want you to see through all the bogus evidence presented to justify the Official Conspiracy Theory and join me in calling for a new, forensic, open investigation with subpoena powers. The Federal government has changed its stories so many time it’s time to put these various agencies under oath in public with evidence.
“”Actors played the passengers and convinced those on the ground they were their loved ones while the actual passengers were what? Taken out back and shot?”"
Again, I really don’t know. I do know that if you had access to the NSA’s “Back Door” telecommunications wiring as has been documented and challenged in both the courts and the Congress, you wouldn’t have to be on any flight to imitate such a call to anyone. Actor? Didn’t you find it interesting how John Bingham introduced himself to his own mother as, “Mom, this is John Bingham…” ? How many times have you used your last name in calling your mom? Also, don’t underestimate the growth of the covert intelligence community that is documented to have more than doubled since then. Where do all these people come from? They have to come from somewhere and where better than someone reportedly dead… I’m just saying.
We DON’T KNOW THE TRUTH because it depends exclusively on secretive and compartmentalized FBI, NSA, CIA and Corporate Media narrative, something we in the 911truth movement no longer buy for too many reasons to list in a single thread. We know of certain things, like the impossibility of structural steel collapses in free-fall acceleration due to office fires or jet fuel… that’s about it, but it plucks the mass-casualty event out from under the official story told.
I don’t “want” to believe there’s inside complicity, I have to believe it knowing basic physics and the engineering behind all modern buildings including our new Federal Courthouse.
You believe what you want Channing, but to what end?
In medicine we have a saying, when your hear hoofbeats think of horses not zebras.
Or try this, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck…it’s a duck.
We have a series of events, witnessed by millions and experienced by tens of thousands. You have a few witnesses who were confused and understandably so.
Of course, how do you know that I’m not a deeply planted agent who has been posting on this blog for 2 years just so I could be here to react to you now that you have discovered the truth?
“”You believe what you want Channing, but to what end?”"
If there is the kind of corruption in our own society, in our own government that a 911-inside-job hypothesis implies, wouldn’t YOU want to know about it? If it IS true that our military industrial complex has gone rogue and chosen the slaughter of 3,000 innocents on American soil for profits, wouldn’t you want to know about it, do something about it?
“”Or try this, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck…it’s a duck.”"
That’s the problem… it looks, quacks and walks like an “inside” job. Meaning people in authority and paid by American taxpayers set out and yes, conspired to commit mass murder in a false flag operation to benefit global corporate interests into the trillions of dollars. I can’t get around the implications of such a criminal conspiracy when I know for a fact certain parts of this story required certain inside elements to pull off. If it weren’t for the controlled demolitions and the NORAD stand-down I might be driven to suspect outside elements alone, but these two required inside assistance.
“”We have a series of events, witnessed by millions and experienced by tens of thousands. You have a few witnesses who were confused and understandably so. “”
Those two points I mentioned immediately above don’t depend on any witnesses except your own two eyes and a brief review of available public record. You need only see for yourself.
“”Of course, how do you know that I’m not a deeply planted agent who has been posting on this blog for 2 years just so I could be here to react to you now that you have discovered the truth?”"
I couldn’t know, but it doesn’t matter. My life is an open book so anyone, especially several agencies at the federal level already know whatever they wish to know. Your arguments against 911truth are entirely unpersuasive and that only proves once again that there are no arguments against the truth we present. Take a careful look at all the evidence, and even if you are working as an agent you can change that. It’s just a job. Our Constitution and Liberties and Representative Government have been thrown out in the name of this tragedy. You might consider your alternatives.
So just to be clear, the following people are traitors according to Channing:
Captain John Ogonowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogonowski
Captain Victor Saracini (Flight 175): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175
Captain Charles Burlingame: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Burlingame
Captain Jason Dahl (Flight 93) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
I suppose all the communication between each of the aircraft and the air control towers are also forged. So the air traffic people must have been in on it to!!
I also see Channing is relying on “temperature at which steel melts” myth disproved long ago.
Listen, Communist sympathizer, the WTC fires didn’t need to be hot enough to melt the steel, you moron, it only needed to be hot enough to make the steel malleable.
This article from The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minerals,_Metals_%26_Materials_Society) does just as good a job as any I’ve read on the scientific reasons to why the towers fell.
I’ve been calling for a new investigation to address all these unknowns. I never said I knew what happened to any of those pilots and I certainly didn’t call them traitors. I only “speculate” on the possibility of them going Covert, that they were never on the planes that were destroyed. The technology has long since existed, since the 1960′s to fly remote controlled meaning there didn’t have to be an pilots on any of them. That is quite different than what you’re projecting on me.
Concerning all the communications between each of the aircraft and the air traffic control towers the 9/11 Commission Report explicitly states, according to an FAA witness, that a senior manager took all the tape recordings of these exchanges and shredded them, depositing portions of the tapes in different garbage bins. The tapes are gone Neftali… see if you can find them.
ON the melting temperature of steel myth, you are the one relying on Myth.
The structural steel highrises called WTC’s 1 and 2, the Twin Towers, relied on a vast network of vertical steel columns including 47 massive core box columns surrounding the elevator shafts, welded/bolted girders tying the cores to the 23o-odd vertical perimeter columns (depending on the floor), and 1 meter tall spandrels connecting the 230 columns at every floor. These buildings were over-built with great redundancy and designed specifically to absorb the impact of a commercial aircraft… “Like poking a pencil through mosquito netting” in the words of the designer. The massive network of structural steel also acts as a massive “heat sink”, transferring heat AWAY from fires. This is a primary reason we use structural steel networks in highrises still today. Any fire on any floor that may have generated enough heat to “weaken” any particular section would redistribute the heat AND the load to the unheated portions which is why no steel highrise has ever collapsed by fire before or since 9/11/01.
Now, the fires were located near the tops of the towers as evidenced by fire radio recordings of live rescuers up at the 78th floor just prior to the collapse that the fires were limited and could be “knocked down with two lines” (meaning hose lines). People hanging out windows very close to the impact zone without all their hair burned off, the absence of visible fire and smoke in any of the 80 or so floors BELOW those fires. The buildings, like all highrises, were built much stronger and more massive the closer to the ground you go. The “MYTH” you’re buying into neglects that fires would have to “weaken” all 278 core and perimeter columns alll the way around the building simultaneously to induce the total collapse of any single floor, and then “weaken” every floor’s columns going all the way through all 80 floors that were UNHEATED” below. This is “Dead Weight” remember unless ALL columns disappeard simultaneously, instantly over several floors. The “pancake collapse” theory has been officially disowned by NIST because it’s ridiculous and that it is clear in all videos of the collapses that the “upper block” dissolves during its descent into the un-burnt lower section… There is no upper block to crush anything below it.
I recommend that look further into the myth you’ve bought into. Look at structural engineering perspectives that do not depend on Federal Funding to build real life structural steel highrises today. Review AE911Truth.org and the many technical articles there.
You can’t fool physics unless you ignore facts.
Looks like all the 9/11 Air control tapes are well preserved here…
As far as the towers go, you cannot produce any evidence from reputable scientific organization. While I, on the other hand, can list dozens. You just list made-up facts with links only to conspiracy-filled websites. Meanwhile every major media outlet EVER dismisses your absurd notions.
You automatically assume an organization is corrupt merely because it receives Federal Funding. This should be a read flag that you are a conspiracy nutball. Even the most crazed tea party people would never make such a claim. In short, any further communication with you is utterly pointless.
Sorry, I was referring to this;
“”Six air traffic controllers provided accounts of their communications with hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, on a tape recording that was later destroyed by Federal Aviation Administration managers, according to a government investigative report issued today.
It is unclear what information was on the tape because no one ever listened to, transcribed or duplicated it, the report by the Department of Transportation inspector general said. “”
You won’t find these recordings in those NY Times archives. You also find the word, “selected” in the introduction of the archive, meaning what?
Not one challenge has been accepted by even one scientific or engineering organization you’ve referred to by peers, ie, structural or metallurgical engineers and other scientists. Several organizations, like Purdue University received lucrative Federal Grants and/or contracts coinciding their release of these pieces, but none will accept a formal challenge including NIST. Conversely, none of your referenced organizations or scientists have published any challenge to the peer-reviewed paper on nano-thermitic residues found in all the dust samples found here: http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
If it was so easy to counter the “made up facts” then it would be a simple matter of Publishing the truth that counters the existence of nano-thermite in the dust. It is in a peer reviewed publication and is therefore subject to open challenge… where are all your scientists? You also didn’t check any of my links because none of them hypothesize much less ‘conspiracy theorize’ on these sites, they only challenge the official explanations with clear and publicly available facts and evidences. And that notion that every major news media outlet “EVER” is patently wrong on top of that. You can see reporting all over the world about it including limited coverage by the four major US outlets… they’re too busy with the conflict between Britany Spears B**bs however to follow up or draw attention to real issues. Russia Today, BBC, the Guardian, Fox, CNN… slews of coverage over the ears but no focus and no investigative follow-up.
“”In short, any further communication with you is utterly pointless.”"
It IS utterly pointless when you refuse to question what Big Brother told you. That’s all I asked you to do.
Neftali has left us. He/She believes in the government Conspiracy Theory to the point of highlighting every single Official Conspiracy Theory Defender website, without so much as addressing the a single one of the dozens of brazen points I’ve elicited. One cannot assume another is right just because they are quoting “authority, by the fact that these “authorities” are over-represented” by interior, or, inside funding and council. This includes the notorious “inside funding” of the DoD’s “missing” $2.3Trillion Announced on September 10th, 2001 by none other than Donald Rumsfeld… Here’s a question for you:
If you had two point three Trillion Dollars to “disappear” into the “rabbit hole” like Donald did, wouldn’t it be possible to “disappear” the $400,000.00 or so the 911Commission Report stated was required for the “mission” of the 911 conspiracy by Afghans living in caves?
You think about the implications of “insider” dealings in this case and it will frighten anyone into a week of sleeplessness like I had…
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