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Incredible! Nearly two-thirds of Republicans still believe Iraq had WMDs when we invaded nine years ago!

Wow! Even I didn’t think these people were THIS DUMB:

How misinformed are Republicans about world affairs? If presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s assertion that Russia is “without question our number one geopolitical foe” is any indication, then the answer would appear to be very.

A new poll supports that theory.

The poll, constructed by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin Valentino and conducted by YouGov from April 26 to May 2, found that fully 63 percent of Republican respondents still believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003. By contrast, 27 percent of independents and 15 percent of Democrats shared that view.

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According to this poll, an even larger proportion of Republican respondents who said Iraq had WMD — 64 percent — said they have either always believed (or have come to believe) that Barack Obama was born in another country, which he was not.

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  1. expdoc

    I don’t now believe they had them then.

    I do know that they had used them previously.

    I do believe that many people in this country and around the world gave Congress and the President blunt and unvarnished advice that Iraq did have them and were willing to use them or give them to those who would use them.

  2. One year after Bin Laden’s death and over 10 years since 9/11, American citizens are still blindly allowing their civil liberties to be taken away one piece of legislation at a time. How much freedom are we willing to sacrifice to feel safe? Under the guise of fighting terrorism, laws have been put in place as a means to spy on our own citizens and to detain and torture dissidents without trial or a right to council. You can read much more about living in this Orwellian society of fear and see my visual response to these measures on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/living-in-society-of-fear-ten-years.html

  3. Are large caches of mustard gas, nerve gas and insidious blister agents considered WMD’s? Tens of thousands of DEAD Kurds that were bombed and fogged with mustard gas might say they are (which provided the backdrop for our intel gathering effort). And the DVA believes so as do thousands of troops that suffered from such exposure during clean up operations. Guess you were trying to write the narrative about WMD’s being nukes, or other big-bang goodies, like Iran now has, huh. And what’s with the birther bunny trail??? Trying to walk people down the dumb road again by breaking out the red herring.

  4. Dan F.

    Oh, Pat… another stupid HuffPo poll? Very well, en garde. Here’s something I found at http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2012/04/another-poll-finds-democrats-are-party.html

    [Material below copied from that source]

    The Daily Caller reports on the results of this survey as well as other studies which show that “GOP-sympathizers are better informed, more intellectually consistent, more open-minded, more empathetic and more receptive to criticism than their fellow Americans who support the Democratic Party.

    A March 12 Pew study showed that Democrats are far more likely tha[n] conservatives to disconnect from people who disagree with them.

    “In all, 28% of liberals have blocked, unfriended, or hidden someone on SNS [social networking sites] because of one of these reasons, compared with 16% of conservatives and 14% of moderates,” said the report, tiled “Social networking sites and politics.”

    The report also noted that 11 percent of liberals, but only 4 percent of conservatives, deleted friends from their social networks after disagreeing with their politics.

    A March Washington Post poll showed that Democrats were more willing to change their views about a subject to make their team look good. For example, in 2006, 73 percent of Democrats said the GOP-controlled White House could lower gas prices, but that number fell by more than half to 33 percent in 2012 once a Democrat was in the White House.

    In contrast, the opinions of GOP supporters were more consistent. Their collective opinion shifted by only a third, according to the data. In 2006, 47 percent in believed the White House could influence gas prices. By 2012, that number had risen to 65 percent up 17 points compared to the Democrats’ 40 point shift.

  5. Dan F., whose brilliant observations had been absent from these threads for months, responds to the poll cited in the headline of this post with this irrelevant bit of nonsense:

    “The report also noted that 11 percent of liberals, but only 4 percent of conservatives, deleted friends from their social networks after disagreeing with their politics.”

    Gee! That makes me so ashamed to be a liberal!

  6. william wallace

    The truth is always the truth. What you believe is not relevent. Or as a college friend of mine once said ” don’t bother me with the facts”. It’s funny that the NSA finding of the Iranians being responsible for the Kurd gassing gets so little play. The area was within range of Iranian artillery who used gas shells. The area was used for Kurd attacks into Iran but was of little consequence to Iraq.

  7. And 80% still believe that the moon is made of green cheese and the Apollo missions were shot here on earth.

  8. magus12

    @Dan F.

    Wow, some reputable, unbiased sources you cite. One far right website that refers to (LOL) Tucker Carlson. In short, pure horsesh**.

  9. Tim Briggs

    Yes, Iraq did have weapons, and they were verifiably destroyed. And the facts were we had him boxed in with the No Fly Zones and with inspectors on the ground searching for any evidence to the contrary. The Bush administration went to any means to try to sell this war as legit with those lame excuses and no evidence, and worse, committed crimes like outing Valerie Plame who was an undercover agent for the CIA. Most Republicans I see today are just blind to the truth, and even if they would look at the facts, can’t think on their own to distinguish what the truth is. Just brain dead, Fox watching Idiot’s!

  10. John Kassabian

    Iraq had eliminated their weapons by 1998. It was common knowledge. Look up Major Scott Ridder. The Clinton Administration was not happy about the disarmament. It came to Quickly. This is why Albright gave her famous “regime change” speech, where official US policy was changed to regime change, and that disarmament of wmd’s was no longer good enough. After the policy speech Saddam kicked all the inspectors out of the country, giving Clinton his great distraction. Those who followed this kind of stuff were kicking and screaming and trying to stop US entry into the War. There was plenty of evidence to the contrary regarding Iraq having these weapons. Just ask Major Scott Ridder.

    Americans are just not an informed society, and blew it regarding the last decade. It is shame, as it has made the US weaker economically and politicly. Without an informed citizenry the nation will keep being lead along like a dog on a leash by those who president Eisenhower had warned about.

    JK

  11. Kurds gassed with intel from the US–see: photo of Hussein and Rumsfeld chumming it up.

    Sorry, no other WMD’s found, save for Ansar al-Islam camp in the north…but those were Kurds willing to attack Saddam Hussein…

    Bummer the facts just don’t support the Cheney narrative…but you GOP’ers keep on it…maybe repeating it for the next decade will make it true.

  12. expdoc

    Here is a wealth of information on the topic. Actual documents, with a timeline.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

  13. Cheney and his hand puppet orchestracted one of the worst ciminal acts ever yet the Republicans persist by rummaging through landfills in their quest of yellowcake.

  14. expdoc

    Worst criminal acts ever?

    Liberal lunacy like that is going to ruin the Democratic party but will insure Republican power in Wisconsin and nationally for years to come.

  15. Giving Bush a pass on war crimes is the same as giving Reagan a pass on dealing weapons with the enemy, Iran. History will rate these acts with the cannibalism by the Japanese during WWII which was ignored and classified to keep our rednecks in the USA and Australia from wiping Japan slick.

  16. expdoc

    Larry,

    You are just the kind of liberal I love the best.

  17. How obtuse can Republicans be. First of all, the “patient” Bush Jr., when told by the IAEA to give them more time because Iraq was cooperating, “Patient” Bush gve them 48 hours to get out of Dodge (Iraq). After he preemprively attacked Iraq, A nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 or harboring Al quaeda and none of the hijackers were Iraqis, “Patient” Bush then appointed his own team of wmd searchers and they came up with zilch. Hence the many changes in why we attacked Iraq. From a “mushroom cloud within a year”, to having irrefutable proof of Iraq’s wmds including mobile labs (as if a scientist would be stupid enough to have perilous chemicals in a van), to Saddam being an “evil leader”, to bringing democracy to the Middle East. None of which has come to past. An unnecessary war, a fruitless loss of life and limb, a total loss of respect and just one more comment that needs to be said. There was really no coalition forces in Iraq, there was the US and to a much smaller degree England. All other nations just sent token forces, many of which sent much less than a thousand troops.

  18. There is nothing obtuse or incredible about it. Chemical weapons are also classified as WMDs and there is substantial evidence of Iraqi use of chemical weapons aggainst the Kurds and sheite populations…you socialists are a persistant and deceitful pain in the ass

  19. Stephan Larose

    @ Bill

    You have no clue what you are talking about. Saddam gassed the Kurds in the 80’s, not 2003. Iraq was put under a sanctions/disarmament regime which left Iraq “the most comprehensively disarmed nation in history” according to the officials in charge.

    Saddam didn’t have any WMDs, no chemical weapons, nothing. If he did, he most assuredly would have used them against invading U.S. forces, but as we can all see, resistance to America’s second illegal invasion/war crime against Iraq was insignificant. Subsequent to the invasion, absolutely nothing was found to indicate that WMD programs had been reactivated.

    I guess America’s ol’ pal Saddam, who the U.S. helped seize power in ’63, whom the U.S. backed when he invaded Iran, whom the U.S. armed even more after he gassed the Kurds, and whom the U.S. told that Iraq’s grievance with Kuwait for stealing oil from Iraqi fields, should really have been less trusting of his former handlers.

    U.S. middle east foreign policy = hypocrisy + murder on a genocidal scale.

  20. Roger H

    The credibility of the survey as well as where it was taken from (Maddow Blog?) are questionable –
    but don’t let that get in the way of a good conservative bashing. This is typical of the content
    coming from the left. It isn’t about raising the debate, its about lowering the opponenet – which
    is 90% of the content on MSNBC.

    If conservatives are as stupid as liberals love to contend, then how is it the largest block of voters
    for the Democrat party are the most uneducated in this country ? And without this large block
    of “hands out” voters, the party is menial. Liberals are very passionate as individuals and as a
    group – which is why they protest so effectively (and often). The fact that mainstream media is
    decidedly liberal (although many hiding behind “moderate” or “independent” labels) provides
    a large platform for all the noise.

    The bottom line is liberals love to protest (scream therapy), love to point fingers and call names.
    But when the time comes to govern they fall on their faces. Or in the case of Bill Clinton, trip on
    their zippers.

    In the words of the great Howard Dean: YEE-AHH!!!!

  21. Unfortunately, too many people either trust their policitical leaders blindly (I think they confuse it with loyalty) or else they have very poor critical thinking skills. Either way, the majority of society is dumb as sh*t and gets what they deserve. Like everyone else, I watched the Iraq pre-war propaganda rollout and wasn’t fooled. It wasn’t difficult to see through the fabricated materials. Heck, even our own Intelligence Community was doing their best to ‘politely’ set the record straight that these WMD claims were bogus. But the mass media and Administration had the louder megaphone and won the debate. And don’t think that was the first or the last time the public get manipulated into thinking the way the political leaders want them to. Unfortunately its everywhere. How did such a morally degenerate species become the ruling presence on this earth. It is truly sad to see what we are when you consider what we could be.

  22. How about a poll about who didn’t believe it from the getgo? Now the same baloney is being used for the next countries in queiu and the same idiots, following mainstream media, are believing those lies. Goes to show, you can fool an idiot as much as you want and they keep coming back for more.
    The Democrats are still supporting the next and next wars…… So what if some realize they were fooled before?
    Like Bush said “fool me once ……..”. The tragedy is that hundreds of thousands of civilians get murdered, most, if not all, having no control over what their governments do anyway. Sound familiar?

  23. supressed news of WMDs Millions of sling shots were found in an underground cave inIraq.

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