Posted by Pat Cunningham on Aug 29, 2012 in Uncategorized | 18 comments
Forgive me for posting a video about science while Republicans are holding their quadrennial convention, but I can’t resist.
Bill says we need kids to become engineers, scientists and to help solve the worlds problems.
I agree and would suppose that Bill is vehemently pro life as well. Who knows how many cures for cancer or solutions to clean energy have been swirled down the drain in the name of choice.
doc: You probably don’t realize it, but the last sentence of your comment is also an argument against contraception.
That puts you in league with the likes of Rick Santorum. However, it puts you at odds with most of your (and Rick’s) co-religionists — not to mention the general American populace.
doc: Your comment also reminds me of both the Great Beethoven Fallacy and the Great Tim Tebow fallacy:
You probably don’t realize it, but the arguments used by liberals to support choice in abortion could be equally applied to infanticide.
Also think of how many potentially brilliant men and women have been flushed down Iraq and Afghanistan.
Think of how many more BORN and ALIVE today youngsters will never reach their potential due to cuts in Education and student grant money.
Think of how many would never even enter the Sciences after listening to Republican anti-science drivel.
doc: Infanticide? Don’t be an idiot.
Here is more on this topic.
Expdoc; is it me or are more of your posts simply cut and paste jobs or link bombs? Do you have any arguments of your own or is it just “what he said. . . ?”
One of the most interesting things I’ve heard said in recent years was by a Grand Canyon Park Ranger who was standing at the rim and explaining to us how there was about 6 billion years of science going on with the different stratifications of rock formations in the canyon. I guess in the GOP world, we’d just explain that away with “God did this.” Lunacy.
The world needs more scientists, not religious wackos.
When on a site that is cut and paste jobs or link bombs it is perfectly appropriate to respond in kind.
Your inflammatory rhetoric aside, the link bomb I provided gives examples of people (including real, bonafide scientists) who do not feel that creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive.
That would be my opinion as well if you care. By the way, I am by definition a scientist as well.
Yet another link bomb on the topic for you monkey.
As the Catechism puts it, “Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things the of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are” (CCC 159). The Catholic Church has no fear of science or scientific discovery.
How did this morph into an argument about abortion? Anyway, science (evolution) doesn’t deny the existence of God as the original creator, if anything it emphasizes the magnitude of the universe that surrounds us. With the universe (or possibly universes) being revealed before our eyes, constantly becoming more visible and understandable thanks to modern science, I can’t understand how intelligent people (doc, for example) can actually believe in creationism.
I can’t understand how intelligent people (doc, for example) can actually believe in creationism (as stated in the bible, that is).
It is simply amazing that anyone with a shred of education or intelligence believes in creationism, or in religion for that matter. There are so many parts of organized religion, the Bible, etc, that if you were to separate them from their context, they would appear to be science fiction. Noah and the Ark? Body and blood of Christ? Burning bushes? Rising from the dead? I mean, it’s absolutely nonsensical when you step back for a minute and consider some of the tenets of religion.
Gravity you can prove. The existence of a god? Not so much.
doc: Anyone who says “the Catholic Church has no fear of science or scientific discovery” knows little or nothing about the history of the church.
The Vatican’s antipathy toward science has, on occasion, been almost as rabid as that of confirmed flat-earthers. Numerous books have been written, some of them by priests, about the church’s problems with science.
In his book “Why I Am A Catholic,” Garry Wills writes that Pius X, “like most nineteenth- and twentieth-century popes, was disturbed by the discoveries of modern science…Anxiety here was understandable; it was widely shared by many Christians in the nineteenth century, when geological discoveries, Darwinism and textual criticism cast doubt on prior views of the Bible.”
The Vatican’s misreading of natural law in defense of its stances regarding contraception, homosexuality and the ordination of women as priests has been notoriously at odds with science.
The catch in that passage you’ve quoted from the Catholic Catechism is the part about how scientific research doesn’t conflict with the faith as long as it “does not override moral laws.” But when those “moral laws” are based on bogus science or bogus misreadings of natural law, they are nothing more than ridiculous prejudices.
Believe what you want, doc, but don’t tell us that the church has not resisted scientific discoveries that don’t jibe with Vatican teachings.
Say what you want but organized religion is, in fact, actual brainwashing and that’s why it’s so dangerous to take religion over science. Our 8-year old neighbor boy explained to our kids recently with a serious look and straight face that he was going to church the next day to take his first communion. “That’s where we eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood.” My kids just kind of looked at me with this puzzled look and I walked that one back later on when the boy had gone home.
Anyone want to defend the sheer lunacy of that belief? Yet, people will and they’ll do so by saying “well, that’s what I believe.” Well, kids can “believe” in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy but eventually they get smart and realize that it was just a harmless hoax. Apparently, many adults never smarten up when it comes to religion.
No, more often than not they find religion in a fox hole, in a crisis or when faced with death.
You should read my link.
I hadn’t seen anything of him in many years. It must be disappointing to no longer have a regular television program. If evolution was what was preventing more students from becoming engineers or medical doctors, there would be no shortage of engineers and medical doctors in America. The hardest working students that I have ever met were Mormon, and unapologetic for it, closely followed by evangelical Christians and traditional Catholics. But there is no shortage of lack of discipline in American.
Everybody has a right to believe or deny whatever they want, however I draw the line at people imposing those beliefs onto science education, more specifically other people’s kid’s science education. All this crap about putting disclaimers on textbooks is just that, crap. The worst of all of this is that evolution and a belief in God are not incompatible. Not even a belief in some type of creation for that matter, it’s really the Young Earth creationists that are the problem. I’m sorry, but the Earth is not only 6000 years old, period. Not up for debate. Will denial of evolution keep kids from going into engineering, probably not. Does the false debate of whether evolution is occurring that’s being played out in schools damage science education? Absolutely.
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