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Geniuses at Fox News can’t fathom that hurricane would create spike in jobless claims

When Hurricane Sandy ravaged the East Coast a few weeks ago, thousands of businesses were forced to close, throwing thousands of people out of work.

Those unfortunate  people were eligible, of course, to file for unemployment insurance, and many of them did. Consequently, a report released yesterday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed an increase of 78,000 jobless claims in the previous week.

But the conspiracy theorists on Fox News Channel’s morning show chose to interpret the BLS numbers as phony and just another example of deceit on the part of the evil Obama administration. In voices dripping with suspicion, they wondered aloud why the jobless claims would suddenly increase right after the presidential election.

Brian Kilmeade, who is perhaps the dimmest of the Fox morning hosts, said he wasn’t buying the theory that Hurricane Sandy had caused the increase.

“How could you possibly say that that has anything to do with first-time jobless claims?” Kilmeade asked. “When a storm hits you get fired?”

None of Kilmeade’s partners on the Fox News set tried to explain to him that people who lose their jobs at businesses damaged by a big storm aren’t really fired. It’s just that their jobs no longer exist, at least for a while. In many cases, the affected businesses have no electrical power.

Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC had great fun last night mocking the idiocies of the Fox News morning crew.

Check it out HERE (and be sure to watch the video).

 

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  1. I wonder how many Hostess plants and Denny’s were hit by Sandy? Didn’t Boeing have a plant right on the Jersey Shore too?

  2. The unions won, right? I mean, other than the jobs of their employees, they ran a great strike. They showed those management fools a thing or two.

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-closing/

    The closing will result in Hostess’ nearly 18,500 workers losing their jobs as the company shuts 33 bakeries and 565 distribution centers nationwide, as well as 570 outlet stores. The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union represents around 5,000 Hostess employees.

  3. No Doc! You are gonna give them an aneurism, wait til 2014 so that they can be covered!

  4. Luke Fredrickson

    A company with $2.5 billion in annual sales has been in and out of bankruptcy for ten years? Sounds like mismanagement to me.

    BTW doc, the Teamsters represent the majority of unionized Hostess employees and voted to accept the new contract and the concessions it contained. So I’m not sure why you pluralized “unions” in your comment, unless you were hoping to mislead…

    Personally I will not miss their products, which I do not even consider to be food. Hostess should have diversified their offerings a long time ago.

  5. Brian Opsahl

    This is going on all over because a Democrat won again…But think of it this way…if Romney had won you would have to learn Chinese to be able to say Hostess…anyway.. so what are we loseing a bazillion calories. Or what about Papa Johns pizza owner saying that he would layoff employees because of the extra costs related to Obama care….Never mind that he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting Romney and republicans that were about to give him another tax break….that he really needs bad…have you seen this guys home…it’s worth like 4 million and he can’t afford 12 cents more for his very bad dierea pizza….really !!

  6. Craig Knauss

    doc,

    The CEO of Hostess was on CNN this morning and said blame for the closings could be spread all over the company and that it wasn’t just the unions. The CEO has a better handle on what’s happening within the company than some outsider like you does.

  7. 18,500 jobs lost.

    5,000 Bakery union workers directly caused the loss of those jobs.

    If they would have agreed with the proposed contract changes like their Teamsters brethren did, all 18,500 of those people would still have jobs.

  8. doc is correct. Even the Teamsters are blaming the Baker’s union.

    http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-bakery-workers-should-hold-secret-ballot-vote-hostess

    On the other hand, these execs are complete jerks for awarding themselves massive bonuses. Among the raises was a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) for the then-CEO of Hostess. At least nine other top executives of the company also received massive pay raises, including one who received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one that brought his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

    Now, are these massive raises enough to offset the union demands? Not even close. Still, a little shared sacrifice would have been nice, unfortunately it didn’t happen. So there is plenty of blame to go around.

  9. Craig Knauss

    doc and Nef,

    Please tell that to the CEO. I heard what he said. Apparently he is wrong and you guys know much more about it than he does. Is that correct? Maybe one of you should have had his job. And did you bother to read Luke’s post? It sounds like they’ve been shaky for a decade or more. I suppose the current baker’s strike was responsible for all that too? I have a feeling the baker’s strike was insignificant compared to the exec raises Nef noted above which have been sucking the company’s blood for years.

  10. I believe this headline says it all. Without the strike the company would be in business. Period

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html

    Twinkies Maker Hostess Going Out of Business, CEO Blames Union Strike

    Hostess, the makers of Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread, is going out of business after striking workers failed to heed a Thursday deadline to return to work, the company said.

    “We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” Hostess CEO Gregory F. Rayburn said in announcing that the firm had filed a motion with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to shutter its business. “Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”

    Hostess Brands Inc. had earlier warned employees that it would file to unwind its business and sell off assets if plant operations didn’t return to normal levels by 5 p.m.

  11. Craig – This article is a few months old, but still mostly relevant in the long term financial screwups from everyone involved.

    http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/

    Some excerpts:

    – Hostess has roughly $2 billion in unfunded pension liabilities

    – By late 2011, Hostess was getting, well, creamed. Its sales last year — $2.5 billion — were down about 11% from 2008 and down 28% from 2004. (Twinkies remain the best individual seller — 323 million of them in the 52-week period ending June 29, give or take a splurt.) Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year — and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million.

    – pay of the four top executives would go down to $1 for the year, but that their full salaries would be reinstated no later than Jan. 1. Hostess pays Rayburn $125,000 a month, according to court filings. At the same time Rayburn became CEO, (Former former Democratic House majority leader Dick Gephardt) Gephardt’s son Matthew, 41, the COO of the Gephardt Group, was put on the Hostess board as a $100,000-a-year independent director.

    – ancient delivery trucks and plant equipment didn’t get replaced. The company’s pricing often didn’t keep pace with that of competitors. And Hostess still had ludicrous work rules: The Teamsters had separate drivers for deliveries of such goodies as Yankee Doodles and Nature’s Pride Nutty Oat. (Of course this jobs-preserving work rule was agreed to by Hostess in the last labor negotiation.)

  12. Here is another, literally in my backyard.

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/ge-healthcare-to-eliminate-2-of-its-wisconsin-workforce-0a7m2f6-179684281.html

    GE Healthcare said Friday it’s cutting 2% of its jobs in Wisconsin, where it has 6,500 employees.

    The medical equipment manufacture blamed the economy for the cuts, saying it had to make “tough decisions in the current economic climate.”

    About 130 people could lose their jobs, including employees in Milwaukee and Waukesha, although GE would not give specifics and said it was trying to minimize the job losses by finding other positions in the company for those employees on the layoff list.

  13. Steven Cummings

    It amazes me you come down on Fox news, who at least reports the news, rather then acting like a propagandist for Obama with tingles running down their legs like the mainstream media does. Only in the last couple of weeks have the major networks started reporting on Benghazi coverup, and that is only because a sex scandle with beautiful women came out with the involvement of Patreaus and a general. Mainstream media hides half of what Obama does, and have even lied about it. It’s funny before the election Obama fired a general and an admiral over Benghazi and this whole thing about Patreaus was well in motion as well as bad job number that did not hit mainstream media until after the election and these all happened two weeks before the election. So don’t cast stones at FOX when these other media outlest have lost all of there integrity.

  14. Joseph DUrso

    Now that the photo-ops are over, where is the emergency aid from the Obama Administration? Tens of thousands are still without heat and power and are lacking basic necessities. Compare this to the actions of a truly caring president, who after being notified at 6:30 AM of the massive destruction caused by the storm of 1938, had over 100,000 members of the US Army, Navy, CCC and WPA on the scene within three hours.

  15. ClearSighted

    Interesting how expdoc hasn’t implied the union caused Sandy to _Strike_ the coast of New Jersey. After all, aren’t unions always causing bad things to happen to angry white men? The Repugnants seem to have the usual case of Severe Cerebral Rectal Inversion when it comes to noodling out simple concepts, perhaps that’s why Faux News is so successful with them. And how did this thread get so off topic – from Hurricane Sandy causing jobless claims to spike all the way over to Hostess Bakery finally going belly up – all being the fault of the current Administration, of course? These Repugnants will draw at increasingly shorter straws and create totally unbelievable lies to promote the fact someone with the same skin color of their ‘Saviour the Christ’ is in the White House. It isn’t the dark skin guy in Washington doc, it’s the corporate marauders (you know, fearful white men like you) who moved all the jobs out of the country in the first place. But the Repugnants don’t want to open their eyes to that fact do they…

  16. gottaluvit

    Can this publisher – GATEHOUSE MEDIA – become anymore left leaning? Isn’t journalism supposed to be non-biased? All you’ve done is made Chris Mathews your second messiah and I guess you don’t need the Right’s subscriptions or buying power since you’re on the verge of bankruptcy (even tho you handed out BIG exec bonuses while cutting workforce and benefits) but sure don’t see libs screaming about that.

  17. R.L. Denniston

    You morons at MSLSD should check your facts before you besmurch the only news show that gives you the plain truth, FOX NEWS! They reported that research of the jobs lost in the regions hit by Sandy, New York, New Jersey and another had accounted for only 5,600 jobs due to Sandy. Which is minor compared to the 80,000 increase. I would bet that many of the Obama states held back processing the jobless claims, much like California did a month earlier, to make the numbers look good. Those are now just flowing through. It’s sad to see our own media so supportive of a Communist, Muslim, America-hating regime in Washington. Some day you will be sorry suckers.

  18. ClearSighted

    Wow… I see above that someone is supporting Socialist activities by wanting CCC, WPA, and military intervention in the storm area. Blaming Obama for a private company’s response time would be like blaming the Federal Reserve for our financial crisis. Plus another angry white man is so twisted in hatred he’s seeing someone with the same skin color as his beloved Jesus Christ as a Commie, Christian hater just like him. You a Christian R.L.? If you are, you are as big a liar as the rest of the high placed Repugnants who make up their ‘facts’ as they go along to support their twisted, hateful beliefs. Yup, Jesus hated anyone who didn’t look like Him, did you know that? Which, by the way, would leave you out R.L. since lilly-white boys like you would have stuck out like a snowball in a coal bin. Yeh, Jesus would be proud of your hatred and intolerance of people who don’t look just like you. That’s why Jesus used to walk around with an AK47 – just in case ‘those kind of people’ would happen to wander into town. And answer me this since you guys have hijacked this thread anyway – why is it you boys are so frightened by people who aren’t heterosexual? Think about this a few minutes… for decades Jesus never had a girlfriend or took a wife and hung around with twelve other guys all the time. Sound heterosexual to you? Sounds a little ‘gay’ to me, ya know… ;o)

  19. Brian Opsahl

    First of all Fox, lied for over 2 weeks prior to the election,telling anybody who would listen that Romney was winning the election some even said be a landslide (Dick Morris) even though every poll in the Nation except one siad Mr Obama was going to win. The reason Fox chose to lie like that is Carl Rove new that Romney was loseing so since everybody votes for a winner they figured if they lied it might bring Romney back….LIARS

    You dont have to check any web sites to no this ,it was on TV every night for over 2 weeks and everybody else was reporting the exact opposite

    Same thing is going on with Benghazi reporting….with Fox saying one thing and everybody else saying the opposite…AGAIN

  20. Yea Fox News is really really biased and MSNBC isn’t.
    http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/final_weeks_mainstream_press
    “That week, when the media overall were more positive about Obama than negative, Fox News went a different direction and became more negative about him. From October 1 to 28, 4% of Obama’s stories were positive and 47% were negative (a difference of 43 points). In the final week, however, that tenor changed so that 5% of Obama’s stories were positive while 56% were negative-a difference of 51 points.

    At the same time, when Romney was receiving negative coverage in the final week from the rest of the press, Fox was different; 42% of its segments about him were positive while only 11% were negative. This was more positive than the earlier part of October when 34% of Fox News’ Romney coverage was positive and 9% negative.

    MSNBC moved in the other direction. MSNBC’s coverage of Romney during the final week (68% negative with no positive stories in the sample), was far more negative than the overall press, and even more negative than it had been during October 1 to 28 when 5% was positive and 57% was negative.

    For Obama, meanwhile, the coverage improved in the last week. From October 1 to 28, 33% was positive and 13% negative. During the campaign’s final week, fully 51% of MSNBC’s stories were positive while there were no negative stories at all in the sample. “

  21. Brian Opsahl

    Really, So all that means what…? Fox lied for over 2 weeks….FACT !! I did see MSnbc reoprt about the polling differance between them and Fox…and as it turns out MSnbc and all those that kept saying that Fox was not reporting true one bit…!!

  22. Fox news treated their viewers on election night with two rare events, an accurate Ohio vote prediction and Megyn Kelly’s legs.

  23. Brian Opsahl

    Their is an old Movie called Scanners, in it there is a sceen where one guy makes the other guys head explode….well if you watched Carl Rove on Fox the night of the election thats what he looked liked after Fox called Ohio and Rove thought he had PAID for those voteing machines just like 2004. But this time somebody had the passwords changed, Poor Carl couldn’t even steal this one….how unfair is that !!

  24. Brian,
    Not one negative story on Obama from your MSNBC in the final week.
    yea andwhat does Carl have to do with reporting the news?

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