Persecution complex on the Religious Right grows deeper

Is THIS crazy or what?

The American Family Association, a top conservative Christian organization, emailed members today with a dire warning that, within 50 years, Christians will be treated like African Americans during the Jim Crow era.

In an email entitled “What will religion look like in the year 2060?”, the AFA warned about the coming onslaught against Christians, who currently make up over three-quartersof Americans. The group’s predictions include that Christians will be brutally discriminated against like blacks in the Civil Rights Era, government will take children from parents at birth, and any city with “Saint” or other loosely-religious name will be forced to change…

As absurd as they may be, these 2060 predictions may not even rank among the AFA’s most extreme ideas. The group’s spokesman has called for kidnappingthe children of same-sex couples through a modern-day “Underground Railroad” system. When one man heeded this advice and aided a woman in kidnapping the daughter of a lesbian woman, the group advised him to flout American laws and flee the country. AFA also organizes against any individual or company that shows the slightest tolerance for [gay] people.



  1. Just wait til we start building Roman style colosseums.

  2. dogrescuer

    Typical religious paranoia.

  3. shawnnews

    If you read the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, he seems to argue to the positions the AFA fears. He sets up the arguments for religion as child abuse, religion as a form of “mind virus” etc. the rhetoric to disenfranchise religious people can but found in books like that. It’s disheartening really to find that there are secular people who just want to turn the tables on religious people and haze them.
    How about Jo one be hazed and live a life according to their personal choice without infringing on others in the name of decency, goodness or protecting children?

  4. Why are liberals all about tolerance and freedom to do what you want until it come to Christians? Why the vitriol toward the “right” when you espouse acceptance and tolerance. Sounds a tad hypocritical to me.

  5. Delusion = a fixed, false belief. It is a “mind virus” or mental illness for that very reason. It is believing in something and taking action – ranging from benevolent to insanely evil – all in the name of an invisible man in the sky of which there is no evidence.

    It would not be a huge issue if it did not infringe on the rights of BILLIONS daily.

  6. jjgettys

    it amazes me that this paper still has your column. but then it was always best used for the birdcage. maybe retirement is closer for you than you think. there is alot of road out there to explore. you could use some air/window time. and you would so enjoy your own company.

  7. shawnnews

    Dawkins’ language only sets itself up to be interpreted as Bolshevism. If you want to know why many don’t want to take atheism seriously as a moral worldview, look only to the history of the 20th century communism. It wasn’t just Lenin and Stalin. It was most of the countries it took hold have where they had no regard for rights or liberty. You don’t need to use the excuse of the deity to infringe on someone else. The inquisition can’t hold a candle to Communism on the scale of misery it caused. Liberty usually doesn’t involve making people fit into a predetermined set of beliefs.

  8. jjgettys: Wake up, Dude!

    The paper does NOT still carry my column. And I AM retired. I just do this blog from home in my spare time.

    As for your “birdcage” remark, there isn’t a political writer worth his or her salt anywhere in America who hasn’t heard that one. So don’t consider yourself clever.

  9. Craig Knauss


    You present the typical religious right argument: “If I can’t impose my views on you, I am being discriminated against.” I’ll concede that some atheists get carried away. However, have you ever heard of atheists having a daily “denial of God speech” broadcast over a school’s PA system every morning? Or have non-“Christian fundamentalist” prayers read? Have you ever heard a school district mandate a “moment of denial” before classes? Have you ever had an atheist or other non-Christian knock on your door and ask if you want to lose Jesus? Have you ever heard an atheist, or a non-“Christian fundamentalist”, saying that you have to have an abortion because we believe it’s OK? Have you ever heard them say you have to marry a gay or lesbian because we believe it’s OK?

    No, Sharon, all we ever hear is what those of us who are not Christian fundamentalists cannot do because it doesn’t conform to the fundamentalists’ narrow-minded interpretation of the Bible. That’s intolerance.

  10. RedRover

    Shucks, y’all don’t have to leave town to find members of the Religious Right with persecution complexes.

    Consider this posting and others like it from one of your RRStar blog colleagues:

  11. You said “If I can’t impose my views on you, I am being discriminated against.” That goes both ways don’t you thing. To be honest and fair. You sound like you feel discriminated against because you don’t ascribe to Christian beliefs. As does anyone with an opposing view I guess. But for a group of folks, progressives and non believers in Christianity to openly attack and demean those who do is being a tad hypocritical in my view. as I said you all espouse tolerance and acceptance while being openly hostile to those of us who do embrace that ideology.

    Maybe you should consider all of those “events” in schools you listed as having some merit instead of the negative view you hold.
    Like it or not there are those of us who do believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit just as admittedly as you deny them. . And THAT is the key word in all of this. Believe=FAITH. It doesn’t take faith to believe in something you can see or prove.

    Also like it or not, we humans are not just flesh and blood but we are spiritual beings. There are lots of names for this and I’m not here to debate that. I think that scares people who don’t believe. I hope some day you experience the relationship with the God who created the universe. I know….humor me here. Accept that it’s as real to “us” as the slime pond is to you all.

    My points are, because you and your ilk can’t respect the experiences of others because you reject them as not “real”.you feel that give you the right to put it down and be rude and demeaning about it.

    I find it unfortunate that there are a number of Christians who try to force “religion” onto others. God’s big enough to do that job himself, but he does use people to accomplish that.

    I’m not saying this nation was founded on Christian beliefs here but I am saying our founding fathers were predisposed to believing the Bible and that if nothing else it was a darn good pattern to live life by and to have a country/nation follow. It results in a much more pleasant society than anarchy. Don’t you think.

    People that don’t believe have always had the right/freedom to not participate in joining into the liturgical mantras of reciting the pledge of allegiance or what ever. Back then as they do now.

    As for a persecution complex, what would you call it if you felt society is against you because of your belief system? There is lots of proof in recent years that this is the case and it’s getting worse by the year. I know this means nothing to you but it s foretold in the Bible that this would happen. “As in the days of Noah”. But it still doesn’t make it fun knowing about it ahead of time. As you could imagine.

    I’m not hear to try to “convert” you in any way shape or form. What I would like to do is see you and your “kind” for lack of what else to call you, practice what you preach. Live and let live and be as tolerant with someone unlike you as you want “us” to be to you?

    There are always those who are the exception on both sides but from my stand point most of the “Christians” are just as sad to see “our kind” ask like jerks just as we are saddened when “your kind” do. There is such a thing os a civil debate without put downs and name calling. I enjoy those actually. But I don’t enjoy the attacks and being made fun of and put down.

    To quote Rodney King: “Can’t we all just get along”?

    You obviously feel threatened by “us” as much as “we” do you. Let’s agree to disagree and make a try at being more civil toward each other. What do you say?

  12. Craig Knauss


    You made a lot of assumptions, all wrong. You proved everything I said.

    First, I’m not an atheist. While I haven’t attended church in the last few weeks, I have attended for many years. I’m just not one of those “my way or the highway” fundamentalists that you are defending.

    Second, what merits are there to piped in prayers that only represent one viewpoint? My kids attended schools that represented almost every religious group that you could name. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Judaism, Islam, all the Protestant groups, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc. So whose prayers would be used? Tell me.

    Third, don’t talk about my “ilk”. Your ilk includes Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, Donald Wildmon, Jerry Falwell, and a whole bunch of other self-righteous characters. They are certainly free to believe what they want, but they’re not satisfied until the rest of us believe it too. And I asked you some simple questions. Explain how that is “rude”.

    Fourth, Anarchy is an absence of government, not an absence of religion. Furthermore, “God” does not appear in our Constitution regardless of the beliefs of our founding fathers. That’s no accident.

    Fifth, please explain how society is infringing on your religious freedom. You can still pray. You can still go to church. You can still take your children to church. You can still read your Bible. You still have access to private schools. Your children can still have private prayers in their schools. You can still get married in the church. You can still make your own birth control decisions based on your own beliefs. What are you denied? Tell us.

    Sharon, just picture this scenario – The morning prayer over the public school’s PA system is being delivered by Abdul, the Muslim kid. Do you think that would fly in Texas or Alabama? Or in Rockford?

  13. jjgettys

    Dude? you need another hobby then. take up fishing, maybe they will bite on your ramblings. enjoy your retirement.

  14. It is difficult to respond to a post like this where there are different people spouting off. I am sorry, I should have used names. I wasn’t addressed just you Craig. But I will now. I’ll try to hit all your points. Why I don’t know.

    My assumptions were not based on you but as a culmination of the group who if not atheists are non Christian.

    I am NOT defending any one let alone the “my way or the highway” fundamentalists.

    I am not opposed to godly council if sought for, but for any “man” to presume to tell me how to live my life is not how I believe the good Lord intended for us to live. I can follow the Lords leading without having it filtered through one of those self righteous folks you speak of. If we have communication with the Lord and are guided by the Holy Spirit why the need for a man/woman to stand in front of folks and tell them how to live.
    I don’t mind a pastor sharing and exhorting but I draw the line with totalitarianism.

    There are hundreds of sects who call themselves Christians but bear no resemblance to Him in word or deed. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car…to quite a popular phase now days.

    The “Word” says the road to heaven is narrow and there is only ONE way to the Father and that is through the Son. I am a Christian not a Muslim or Hindu or what ever. Our schools were founded by the church. That has set the standard for prayer and for a very long time set the standard for how our nation believed as a whole.

    Since this country was founding on that premise (and I would add most of the founding fathers were ministers). And since the schools were founded by “the church” one of the first thing they did was make sure Bibles were in all the schools.

    I don’t expect people from other faiths who COME HERE and start to dictate that WE change to suit their beliefs. If they want to do that why did they come here?

    I admit that I don’t want the Christian ideology that was believed by our founding fathers to be over run by other belief systems. As I said, if they want to practice their religion no one is stopping them, but for them to over ride the “common belief” of this country I believe is wrong and I for one don’t understand why others would think they could do that let alone understand how Americans can or have allowed it.. If or when that has been attempted in other countries the result is grim or even deadly. This is one way that part of society has infringed on my religious freedom.

    It hasn’t reached totalitarianism status yet but there are enough schools who are forbidding students to have their Bibles in school, or teachers.

    Private prayer….interesting topic there. Recently I wrote about how people complain that God has been removed from schools. As long as I can think I will always be able to pray, as long as I am alive and if I enter a school or other public building God will be there. Having said that, traditionally folks have been able to gather for cooperate prayer in schools, offices, factories etc. I see no reason why that should have to be changed on a traditional level. In some schools these days that is verboten. Administration has tried to stop “meet me at the flag” functions in certain schools. Students are kicked out of schools for wearing religious saying on clothing or even the American flag. Depending on what part of the country you live in. So when I say these things are denied to people that’s what I meant.
    I do apologize for using the wrong word when I said anarchy….meant to say chaos in a form.

    If I were to attend an Islamic school, or any other religious practicing school I would certainly expect to hear a Muslim kid deliver the prayer. But in AMERICAN public schools it is my feeling that others should expect to hear “Christian” prayer.

    I am glad that those Muslim prayers would not fly in Texas, Alabama or …what’s with Rockford? I would like to see that every where. When in America do as Americans do and if you don’t like it start your own private school or church but don’t try to change US to suit you.

    The people who don’t want prayer etc in schools because it is against their “religion” should be the ones who should seek out the private schools. You know the saying, “When in Rome, do what the Romans do”.

  15. @Shawn,

    Yes, Stalin was an athiest. Almost every member of the Nazi party was a Christian. Your point? Evil men do evil things, regardless of their view on God.


    Thomas Jefferson, arguably the MOST influential founding father, removed every reference of Jesus as a diety from the bible. He removed reference to the virgin birth. He saw the bible as a text from which to teach morality, but he clearly did not see God in its pages.

    I find this quote especially scary – “I don’t expect people from other faiths who COME HERE and start to dictate that WE change to suit their beliefs. If they want to do that why did they come here?” America was FOUNDED on the idea that people can believe anything they want. If you don’t like it, why are YOU still here.

    People are not forced to be silent towards things others believe, however. When I see children being denied a proper education because of religion, I get angry. In AMERICAN public schools we teach science. It is the same thing they teach in JAPANESE public school or FRENCH public schools because it is the TRUTH about how the world works. If you want your kids to pray, send them to a christian school. BUt know that if you deny them learning biology (especially evolution) and physics (big bang), you are robbing them of a portion of their education. Some might liken that to child abuse, as Shawnnews hinted at before.

  16. What in the world are you talking about?

    I don’t know where you get your information about Thomas Jefferson (or most of the other stuff contained in your post) but you couldn’t be more wrong OR where ever you got that was wrong. My husband is a history (and math) teacher IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL and he is from Virginia and use to attend the same church Thomas Jefferson attended. Enough of that nonsense. Being a history major I do believe his knowledge of Thomas Jefferson may be more factual than what you are coming up with here.

    Second. America was not founded on the idea that people can believe anything they want. Must be you’ve been reading one of the history books the progressives re wrote to change history so kids would grow up not knowing the real truth. FYI America was founded so that people could worship GOD without the Crown dictating how they were to worship.

    Third, Where did you ever get the idea that Christian students don’t get taught biology or physics. My goodness you really do have some whacked out ideas. Christian students are taught about the “big bang” theory AND creationism so they can make up their own minds what to believe…they just are hammered with the slime pool as the only theory. The basic difference between secular and “Christian” science is that Christians take it on faith that God created all matter and secularist take it on faith it just appeared out of nothing. Even the big bang theory proposes that matter was already there before it exploded. Oh and when modern day scientists claim to have created “creation” in a lab…..you have to answer the question…where did they get their matter….did they create it themselves or did they use what was already there. They are taught science…not a lot of difference between “Christian” science and secular science except there’s no spin put on it as secularist do and don’t even allow for students to hear about another theory, Up until the Scoops trial creationism was the only theory thought. So if you think Christians are taught it all not just their version if that is what you think. Science is just that, physics and biology too. Don’t know where you come up with this stuff.

    Mathematics has demonstrated there are 11 dimensions and we live in 4. One of the 4 being forward linear time. It is logical that at least one of those other dimensions we can’t understand yet maybe be backward time. If God exists in all 11 dimensions he literally can exist in the beginning and the end of time at the same time. As in the Alpha and the Omega ( Alpha being the beginning and Omega being then end) as stated in the Bible.

    FYI, home schooled students (who traditionally but not all are Christians) and those students going to “Christian”school score higher grades on ALL subjects and they are privileged to learn about the reality of God as the creator and Jesus Christ as their savior as well as the other theories that main stream secularism only will allow their students to learn…having no choice.

    I think I’m about done with this debate since you are not able to come up with valid or even accurate arguments for NOT being a Christian.
    Do try to study up on some historical facts and learn more about Christian schools before you spout off again.

    Have a nice life.

  17. 1) The very fact that you call “creationism” a theory next to the likes of evolution and the big bang shows your absolute ignorance as to what a theory is in scientific terms.

    2) Where do I get my ideas about Thomas Jefferson?


    Here is the bible available at a Christian book store for your reference. Make sure to read the description too. He believed in diesm, not christianity. Your husband is a bad history teacher apparently.

    3) Oh, you mean kids whose parents pay tens of thousands of dollars for them to attend a private school do better on the ACT than the average public school student? AMAZING. You really prove your point. Put christian students against likely funded private school students from non-religious schools and I think the tables would turn markedly. Then again, if they are being taught by your husband and given incorrect facts in public schools, this makes more sense too.

    4) It is funny that you mention the dimension of time. time did not exist prior to the big bang, so there really was no time for God to create anything. Also, scientists DO NOT believe everything had to be created, it is more likely it was always here as far as matter is concerned. If you find it impossible to believe that, what created god? Go look up infinite regression on wikipedia.

    5) There is no such thing as “Christian” science. If you refuse to change your hypothesis even in the face of contradictory evidence, it is not science. Go look up the scientific method while you are on wiki.

    6) FYI in the time of the founding fathers LESS people attended church than they do today. I like how you also use progressive as some kind of attempt at an insult. Abraham Lincoln was a progressive, he also refused to join a church.

    7) Enjoy teaching your children the mythology/fable/folklore of Christianity. “Every human culture has a set of creation myths.” -Carl Sagan

    8) Here is an example of religious dogma getting in the way of biology:


    Luckly even a conservative judge has enough sense to make those illegal.

    I will have a nice life, I am an apex predator in the food chain of life thanks to the advanced brain I evolved nd the elements in my body were made in stars that exploded their guts all over the universe billions of years ago. Then I will die, and cease to exist! Pretty amazing if you ask me!

  18. Craig Knauss


    Our public schools were NOT “founded by the church”. I don’t know where you got that erroneous idea. One of the first things our founders did was set up public school systems for everyone that wanted to attend. Back in Europe most of the schools were private or run by the church, and generally only for those who could afford them. Our founders believed that every child should have the right to an education. Period. Therefore, the communities founded public, not parochial, schools, although some early settlements were pretty much of one faith. But, as the communities grew they developed a mixture of backgrounds and beliefs.

    The comment about Muslim prayers was to prove a point, which you proved for me. Why should non-Christians be expected to listen to or participate in Christian prayers when the same Christians (in Texas, Alabama, etc.) would have zero tolerance for non-Christian (e.g. Muslim, Jewish, Hindu) prayers? You totally (deliberately?) missed the point. Either allow all groups in attendance to present their beliefs or nobody does it. However, this was never done, hence the lawsuits. Are you one of those who believes the Supreme Court banned prayer in the public schools? Well, they didn’t. They just banned coerced prayer (mostly Christian) in public schools. Public schools have non-Christian students as well. Private, personal prayer is still protected. And the Court decision did not affect private schools, just public ones. The private schools can broadcast anything they want.

  19. Only because my husband has encouraged me to not stop entering into this futile conversation am I responding.

    Oh my word, you are a rather myopic individual aren’t you. Of course a deist would write such a book BUT try reading some of his other many authored writings and private writings. Paints quite a different picture. Try reading some of David Barton’s material. Eye opener for you I’m sure.

    As for the meaning of the word theory I suggest you may want to educate yourself. Einsteins Theory of Relativity was a THEORY until it could be proven. Be open minded to realize that the big bang, evolution and creationism are theories. I choose to believe in creationism and that is called faith. Of course God could have used the big bang or evolution to create the universe. Doesn’t really matter to me how he did it, I just believe he did! You choose your belief system or lack there of and I’ll choose mine. The thing is, if mine proves to be wrong I have lost nothing but if YOURS proves to be wrong you have lost everything ie your soul.

    As to the meaning of theory…here help yourself. the·o·ry [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA
    noun, plural the·o·ries.
    a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein’s theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
    a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
    Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
    the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
    a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.

    A theory is NOT proven FACT sir and I use the term cautiously.

    Look, you believe your way and I’ll believe mine and we’ll see who’s right in the end. Until then spare me your diatribes.

    Oh and by the way, I don’t believe having a 95% pass rate reflects being a bad teacher. I’d be careful who you insult here not knowing one thing about him or me for that matter other than we believe differently than you. By doing so I this will be my last post in this ridiculous bigoted diatribe of yours.

    My point about “Christian” education over public was not the private schools but the home school students. You do tend to pick out little things you feel supports your whacked out theories don’t you. Try having a little more open mind. There ARE public schools who are of excellent quality but in GENERAL our public schools are lacking and that is a proven fact. But then you do tend to only pick reading material that only support your theory and dismiss anything that doesn’t as fallacy.

    Oh and try researching the founding’s of Harvard, ( or the other Ivy League Institutes of Higher learning) Harvard was established to train puritan ministers. Most of the elementary schools were established by the Puritans originally to teach students how to read the Bible and they used the primer Pilgrims Progress written for that purpose by John Bunyan and was used up into the 1900’s I believe. The public school is by definition one supported by public taxes as were those first schools.

    It saddens me a great deal that people like you are a product of the corruption of our public education system in this country.

    By progressism, as you well know I’m sure, I refer to the modern progressive political movement started with President Woodrow Wilson. Not the progressive ism (enlightenment) that brought us out of the dark ages. Which I see there are still some of you still back there.

    As to your last statement…it is pretty amazing. You will die and cease to exist…bodily but your soul will exist in a not so pleasant eternity. Spare me, I know you don’t believe this but as I said above, if I am wrong I lose nothing, if you are wrong you will have lost everything.

    I really am finished with this one this time. My husband can enter in himself if he chooses but I for one am not interested in listening to such ridiculous spewings from an unenlightened individual as yourself.

  20. Sharon, I would worry about Craig, I mean if he doesn’t understand the concept of the “rule of law” how can he understand history.
    He claimed to respect the rule of law and he even attended a graduate level law course. He then claimed that The Legislative and Judicial Branches establish the rule of law.
    (he must have slept through the course)

    He knows what he knows even the if definition is as follows.
    “The rule of law is a legal maxim whereby governmental decisions are made by applying known legal principles”
    “the principle that all people and institutions are subject to and accountable to law that is fairly applied and enforced; the principle of government by law.”

  21. Sharon,

    1) Here is what a theory is. The very fact that you looked up theory in a freaking dictionary for layman usage of the word is staggering to me after you accuse ME of only picking literature that”supports my theory”. Also, there is NO literature that supports your….I can’t say theory….how about world view.

    The United States National Academy of Sciences defines scientific theories as follows:

    The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)…One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.[7]

    See that, PREDICTIVE value. the Bible can predict nothing. In fact, there is NOTHING in the bible that suggests that any of it could not be written by someone for whom the wheel was emergent technology. Whoopsie. Pretty clear whose “theories” are better. Doctors heal more people than Jesus. Actually, there is a clinical study on that too. Prayer has no beneficial effect on patients who get open-heart surgery. But you already know this, if you had pneomonia and had to chose between prayer and antibiotics we all know what you would pick.

    2) Yes, I am a product of our failed public education system. Exactly. Here is where I went to high school:


    100% of my high school class graduated on time. Does that make every single teacher I have had better than your husband? Not necessarily no, but I don’t think that my education is a representation of the failure of public schools. Quite the opposite rather.

    3) If the memory of our lives is contained in the brain and the brain decomposes, wouldn’t that mean you would have no memory of previous things when you die? You say that I am stuck in the dark ages, but it was religion that kept everyone in the dark ages. Science and advances in technology saved the entire human race from brutal, short existance on this planet.

    4) This crazy “theory of evolution” thing postulates that the human race began between 100,000 and 250,000 years ago (even Christian biologist Francis Collins agrees with this). This means that for 98,000+ years your “God” saw humans being killed, maimed, ravaged, burned, starved, infected, etc. etc. before he decided to do anything at all. Seems like a just and benevolent God to me. Either that, or humans just made him up because there are two ways to control a population: hope and fear. You are attempting that very thing on me right now. My soul will be eternally lost, oh no! Luckly for me, evidence speaks louder than the ravings of a woman who was indoctrinated with a set of fixed, false beliefs. A delusional woman.

  22. 5) faith is belief of something IN THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE. Go look that up in a dictionary, it says it plain as day. It can be “your theory”, but it is not a scientific theory any more than the idea that unicorns are real is.

    6) More Thomas Jefferson quotes:

    “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth”

    “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills”

    7) 93% of the American Academy of Science does not believe in a personal God. Seems like science and religion seem to be at odds, no?

  23. Craig Knauss


    The Legislative Branch writes the laws. The Executive Branch administers them. The Judicial Branch interprets them.

    If the President doesn’t like a law, he can veto it. However, Congress can override the veto. If the Congress doesn’t like how the Court interprets a law, they can pass a new one. The President nominates members of the Court, but the Senate has to confirm them.

    However, the Executive Branch cannot write laws or interpret how they will be applied. So, in essence, the Court and the Congress determine the Rule of Law.

    Is there a part of this that your little brain doesn’t understand? Maybe you should have stayed awake in high school. Most of this was covered there as well.

    And what does this have to do with religious “persecution” anyway.

  24. Craig Knauss


    Right on.

    My old public high school, Auburn, has done apparently well in the statewide scholastic competitions, despite its low to middle income student body. And if I remember correctly, it has beaten a number of private schools in head to head competition. And when I went to U. of I. many years ago, I did as well on the engineering exams, etc. as the kids from a well-known Chicago private school organization, including a school that billed itself as “college prep”.

    My daughters graduated from public Glenbard South HS and that school has also presented itself quite well when competing against some highly-regarded private schools.

    I will readily concede that private schools outperform “inner city” schools. (There was a Chicago public HS where only 9% met the minimum graduating requirements.) But, when someone hints that the private schools are (always?) superior to the public schools, that is bogus.

  25. Craig, thanks again for the lesson, as I pointed out you claim they establish the rule of law, which is not what they do. I am glad you finally figured that out.

    ” what does this have to do with religious “persecution” anyway”

    There are laws in place to protect religious freedom, my point was folks like you don’t have the mental capacity to see when there is persecution, but I guess there is hope as you did finally figure out what the definition of the rule of law is.
    Just to reaffirm;
    “The rule of law is a legal maxim whereby governmental decisions are made by applying known legal principles”
    “the principle that all people and institutions are subject to and accountable to law that is fairly applied and enforced; the principle of government by law.”

  26. Craig Knauss

    Wilson says “my point was folks like you don’t have the mental capacity to see when there is persecution…”

    Really? Are you sure it’s not folks like you hallucinating the presence of persecution where none exists?

    Neither you nor Sharon gave a single example of how you were the victim(s) of religious persecution. Not one single example.

    I said to her “…please explain how society is infringing on your religious freedom. You can still pray. You can still go to church. You can still take your children to church. You can still read your Bible. You still have access to private schools. Your children can still have private prayers in their schools. You can still get married in the church. You can still make your own birth control decisions based on your own beliefs. What are you denied? Tell us.”

    She never did. All she said were things like ” But in AMERICAN public schools it is my feeling that others should expect to hear “Christian” prayer.” So why should we expect to hear Christian prayer? Should we expect to hear Christian prayer in AMERICAN schools in Skokie, IL where the majority is Jewish? Should we expect to hear Christian prayer in AMERICAN schools in Dearborn, MI, where there is a large Muslim population? Should we expect to hear Christian prayers in Seattle, where there is a huge Asian population?

    No. In American (public) schools we should not expect to hear any broadcast (coerced) prayers, which is what the SCOTUS ruled. We should respect the beliefs of everyone, not just the assumed majority.

    So, Wilson, read the SCOTUS decision, provided you have the mental capacity to understand the law.

    And BTW, please tell us about your “legal expertise”. Do you have any at all, or is it just cut and paste from the Internet?

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