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Pro-gun Web site warns against bogus quotations

On Facebook this morning, I ran across this quotation attributed to Adolf Hitler:

1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead to the future!

The fact that there’s no reliable record of Hitler ever having said any such thing hasn’t prevented the widespread circulation of this bogus quotation.

Some people seem not to understand that one of the reasons God created Google was to make it easier for us to disprove nonsense. It took me less than a minute, for example, to use Google to disprove that false Hitler quotation.

And the most interesting thing about my quickie research on this matter is that I found the refutation of the Hitler quotation on a pro-gun Web site (HERE). I don’t agree with the overall objective of the guys who run this site, but I like the fact that they warn against people on their side of the gun debate using false quotations.

The site has a whole section devoted to bogus quotes attributed to the nation’s Founding Fathers. One example is this passage alleged to have been written by George Washington:

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen’s firearms are indelibly related.

From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable.
Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands.

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.

When firearms go, all goes; we need them every hour.

And there’s this one attributed to Thomas Jefferson:

The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Nor did James Madison actually say this:

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be questioned.

The moral of the story is that you do your cause no great service when you try to peddle bogus quotations. We live in the age of Google, which makes it easy to refute such fictions.

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  1. I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed and especially you Mr. Gore: “From my cold, dead hands!” – Moses

  2. Pat; Insert your own name after the word story.. The moral of the story “Pat” is that you do your cause no great service when you try to peddle bogus quotations, falsifications, and fictions about gun ownership!

  3. Full,gun registration in Germany was instituted in 1928 before Hitler. Hitler did pass gun registration laws in 1938, but they lessened the restrictions on ownership. Hitler’s first move was to ban unions.

  4. Thank God no one has banned unions in the United States

  5. Chuck: Be specific. What “bogus quotations, falsifications, and fictions about gun ownership” have I peddled?

    (Cue the crickets.)

  6. doc,
    I know you don’t like unions, but are you actually advocating banning unions in the US?!?

  7. No.

    I am saying “Thank God no one has banned unions in the United States.”

    I don’t have a problem with private sector unions whose members join on their own free will.

  8. Big Dave

    “Thank God no one has banned unions in the United States”

    expdoc, That’s because they vote democrat for the largest part. Now if they voted republican then this president and the democrat party would want them banned.

  9. Big Dave drools: “That’s because they vote democrat for the largest part. Now if they voted republican then this president and the democrat party would want them banned.”

    Oh, do you mean like the GOP platform of 2012? Look it up, stupid.

  10. Luke Fredrickson

    The plutocracy has effectively banned unions by sending most union jobs overseas. And rewarding the effort with tax breaks.

  11. The right likes to bash unions, who ask for cost of living raises and safe working conditions, but say nothing about the medical profession which raises prices 10% every year, and insurance companies who raise premiums 30%.

  12. I like to criticize public workers unions. Apparently the President agrees with me as federal workers aren’t allowed to unionize.

    As a physician I am not allowed to be in a union either.

    My working conditions are safe and I pay ALL of my own benefits as well as those of my employees.

    You seem to think my pay is going up every year. Except my pay has gone down every year for the last 5 years, now approaching a 20% decline over that time.

    What I get paid is determined by Medicare and the contracts that I can negotiate with insurance companies that are based on Medicare rates. I am happy if I can negotiate contracts with insurance companies that are unchanged. I haven’t seen an increase in reimbursement from an insurance contract in years.

    I can charge whatever I want but I get paid what the government tells me and only then if I jump through all of the expensive hoops they make me jump through.

  13. Luke Fredrickson

    expdoc says: I like to criticize public workers unions. Apparently the President agrees with me as federal workers aren’t allowed to unionize.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    What a boldfaced LIE! Federal workers most definintely can, and do, unionize. Been true for about 50 years. Here is an actual quote from Obama in a 2009 executive order:

    “Federal employees and their union representatives are an essential source of front-line ideas and information about the realities of delivering Government services to the American people.”

    http://afgelocal704.com/new-brunswick-laboratory/can-federal-employees-unionize

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-12-14/pdf/E9-29781.pdf

    It is obvious, doc, in parroting your chosen weasel Walker you went way beyond his words – he only said that most federal workers do not collectively bargain for pay and benefits (yet many of them do, and all can bargain on working conditions, vacation time, hours, and safety issues).

    Click the following to tighten up your propoganda, exdoc: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/02/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-most-federal-emplo/

  14. Luke,

    Thanks for the link. I learned something already this early in the day! I learned that Scott Walker is right.

    I think it’s funny though that you rip on Walker in your comments and then use his comments to prove your point.

    A liberal knee jerk is a very powerful thing.

  15. Luke Fredrickson

    And I learned something too, doc. Accuracy in whining is not your forte (just kidding – I knew that already).

  16. Interesting, doc, that your reimbursements from insurance companies have not gone up in years considering that insurance premiums have about doubled over the last ten years. Just where do you think all that money is going? Someone is getting a lot more money.

  17. Jerry,

    This is the point I have been making all along.

    I get paid per episode of care. Insurance companies have to pay for each episode of care each of their customers seeks, often whether they need it or not. If patients have no desire to limit episodes of care or care about the cost of each episode then costs will continue to sky rocket. I never get questions about how much something costs from patients with Medicare,Medicaid or traditional insurance plans.

    I get lots of questions about how much something will cost from patients with no insurance or a high deductible/HSA type plan.

  18. So what you meant, doc, was that your reimbursement per visit has not increased. Gee, just like workers wages. The only way to get more money is to work more hours or upgrade your skills, while the profits from your increased productivity go elsewhere.

  19. My reimbursement per visit has decreased.

    My salary has decreased.

    My skills are at the top of my profession and I work more hours than anyone in my practice.

    My point isn’t about me though, it is about the health care system as a whole and the dramatic failure that is the ACA.

    It will do nothing to control costs.

  20. I agree doc that the ACA does not control costs. It is a cost payment system. We need a whole new healthcare system to control cost. All the other countries seem to do a much better job than we do. Maybe we should look at what they do. Ya think?!?

    Also, controlling cost does not mean you should earn more money.

  21. Where did I ever say I should earn more money? Stop projecting your liberal hate fantasies on me big boy.

    I earn plenty of money.

    I love my job.

    I help people every single day of my life and am in charge of shepherding the single greatest asset of any community.

    I wouldn’t trade with anybody. The vast majority of Americans had health care coverage that they liked and doctors that they liked. Those percentages are going to go down. I just think that is a little bit sad. Particularly when there was a better way to increase coverage AND control cost.

  22. Big Dave

    Don’t worry expdoc, most of these low information posters think that Obamacare pays 100%. Wait till they find out they were sold a bill of goods where they still owe $20,000 on a $100,000 bill.

    And if any of them think I’m wrong maybe Pat will set them straight.

  23. Starting in 2014, ACA will cap out of pocket costs at well below $20,000.

  24. Which is different than controlling actual costs.

    Someone will still have to pay for the care Jerry.

  25. I agree, doc. A cap does not control total cost. However, I did not mean to suggest that it would. I was pointing out that error in Big Dave’s comment. The individual would not owe $20,000.

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