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It seems that Hobby Lobby has a religious right to falsely equate contraception with abortion

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Regarding the Hobby Lobby case currently pending in the U.S. Supreme Court, there’s an overriding catch:

Religious freedom gives you the right to believe any sort of unscientific nonsense you want.

In this case, the nonsense takes the form of false claims that certain contraceptives are abortifacients, even though the medical establishment says that’s not true.

As Pete Williams of NBC News put it the other day: “The government has to take Hobby Lobby’s religious views as they come.  So off the table is any question about the accuracy of how Hobby Lobby and another company, Conestoga, would view these contraceptives as agents of causing abortion.”

Political satirist Jon Stewart had fun mocking this situation last night, as we see HERE (Warning: Some of the language is vulgar.)

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  1. Neftali

    If you believe that life begins at conception, as some of the Hobby Lobby crowd does, then the “Day After pill” or “Plan B” is abortion.

    • JRM_CommonSense

      To make the assumption that conception occurs at the moment sex is concluded and this happens because the woman is always ovulating when she has sex is a real stretch. Neither of these are true. AND, your simplistic statement that the “Day after Pill” more commonly referred to as the “Morning after Pill”, is abortion is not supported by the scientific evidence. Just because Hobby Lobby may think so, does not make it so. It is cerainly not the first time that a religion has decided that its position is more correct than scientific fact. They need to stick to selling Hobby supplies and stop acting like they have any clue about science.

      • Neftali

        JRM – I certainly don’t believe that stuff, just pointing out what their argument is. I’m pro-choice.

  2. Steverino

    How can Hobby Lobby justify their business with China known for birth control and forced abortions?

    • Profit supersedes values. They got their priorities. Without profit, they can’t fund their morality crusade and besides that, rightwing social cons just like to bitch and play the victim card.

  3. Imposing your beliefs on others is not religious freedom.

  4. Hmmm…or…. accepting a job with a company whose religious views do not comport with your own may be a bad idea.

    It would be like taking a job at a kosher butcher and then insisting on butchering the animals and preparing the meat using non-kosher methods.

    • Isn’t the term Kosher a method of preparation that is religious in nature? That would say right there this is how we do it, you’re either with us or your unemployed or not hired.

      Is Hobby Lobby a Christian hobby store or just a general store serving the general public? If Christians are going to use their religion to promote prejudice and a belief they should be excluded or exempt from certain laws and mandates that serve the general public, they should have to invoke their religious doctrine on all things the bible is against, not just those prejudices that they personally have or fits their agenda. It’s all or nothing should be the expectation.

      If you want to use the bible and all the prejudices within it as a weapon or tool for special rights, you have to use all of its content, not just what favors your cause.

      Let’s start with divorce. What does the bible say about divorce? Maybe Hobby Lobby should seek an exemption so they don’t have to provide service to divorced patrons? In their world, marital status would be subjective and they shouldn’t have to be held accountable to protections against marital status discrimination. Why should divorced people get special rights. Why should Hobby Lobby have to provide service and items for sale to divorced people? I don’t think the bible says nothing about birth control and pregnancy prevention does it? But it does say some very definite punishments for divorce among many other things. Why is it these religious fanatics get to pick and choose what they believe in. It should be all or nothing.

  5. Bad example, doc. It is nothing like that at all.

  6. JRM_CommonSense

    I don’t think Hobby Lobby is saying anything about selling to people who use birth control. Or anything else that is against their religious beliefs. They will sell to anyone who has the money to buy their products.

    They are saying they should not have to supply healthcare plans that cover any kind of birth control to their employees. But, just the thought of that possibility shows just how Hobby Lobby talks out of both sides of its mouth. We don’t care who we sell to, but we care what we have to pay for.

    So, it really isn’t their money they are spending on the birth control coverage. It is the money of the customers who buy their products. And it is money they spend that is part of operating expenses that are subtracted from their income before they pay taxes.

    This gets funnier and funnier. So, if they do not offer insurance, they will have to pay the penalty taxes, plus they will have to pay taxes on the money that they do not spend on the insurance. Maybe their tune will change if they start to think of that side of the equation. But I doubt it. It appears that they have selective perception when it comes to religious beliefs and religious freedom.

  7. JRM_CommonSense

    And, to be consistent, Hobby Looby would have to stop buying their componenets and flow through products from supplier who provide insurance that covers birth control to their employees. After all, the money that Hobby Lobby pays them for what they buy would be used to pay for that insurance. Soooooo, that means Hobby Lobby is paying for that insurance. The conundrum gets bigger and bigger. It is beginning to appear that Hobby Lobby will need to drastically change its business model in order to preserve it religious freedoms. It will require a reduction in the number of suppliers they use and a significant reduction in the number of customers they sell to. We know that will not happen because it would be bye-bye Hobby Lobby!

  8. Steverino

    The more you read about Hobby Lobby the more you begin to think they’re really a church selling craft stuff.

    • JRM_CommonSense

      If that is the case, their next move will be to claim that they do not have to pay income tax because they are a church.

  9. Steverino

    Praise the Lord and pass the ribbons and yarn now on sale in aisle 3.

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