Does your support for an idea fade if the wrong person backs it?



If Donald Trump ever comes up with a really good idea, I’m going to go out of my way to support it. I don’t want to be accused of suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Allow me to explain:

Four  years ago, a Washington Post/ABC poll conducted before President Obama unveiled a gun-control agenda showed Republicans overwhelmingly supporting — or no worse than evenly divided — on four central Obama proposals.

But when a subsequent WaPo/ABC poll asked for reaction to Obama’s proposals — without specifying the nature of them — Republican respondents were overwhelmingly opposed.

Obviously, the problem for most GOPers was Obama — not the proposals. The problem was the political hyperpartisanship of the era in which we live these days.

An essay back then in The Washington Post  said this:

While polls found Republicans are open to specific gun control measures, they may be less open to a comprehensive approach.

Another possibility? It’s Obama.

Republicans’ sharp negative reaction to Obama’s gun control proposals symbolizes a paradox of presidential leadership in a hyper-partisan era. Obama’s full-throated endorsement of a comprehensive proposal may have increased the chances new gun restrictions become law. But as the chief messenger he also brings out a lot of ill from the opposition. And with Republicans deeply distrustful of Obama — 80 percent disapproved of his performance in a Post-ABC poll released last week — the messenger will be judged just as much as the message.

I’m guessing that this kind of partisanship is more common among Republicans than Democrats. The GOPers are more unreasonably hateful than their political rivals.

If you think I’m wrong about this,  tell me.



  1. Robert Hazz Geaunads

    Patrick claims, ”
    I’m guessing that this kind of partisanship is more common among Republicans than Democrats. The GOPers are more unreasonably hateful than their political rivals.
    If you think I’m wrong about this, tell me.”

    Off the top of my head I can say Patrick’s claim use to true, but since Trump’s election, that has changed.

    For example, Obama deported more people than any other president in history, many of them being Latinos, back to Mexico and other regions south of the border. Where was the outrage and protest (that became riots in some cities) for Obama’s actions, compared to what we observed this spring when immigration authorities did the same round ups of unlawful aliens? Where were all the yard signs I see now in front yards saying how that household doesnt discriminate and printed in red white and blue? I never saw those signs until Trump became the presidential candidate.

    How’s that for starters and can you give some examples of reasonable hatefulness to support your claim of unreasonable hatefullness?

    • Shawn Robinson

      Trump wants to deport 11 million people at a time. The outrage, of course, will come from Mexico who has as much control over it’s citizens as we have over ours in other countries. 11 million people have gotten here over 30 years. Send them back across the border in four years like Trump proposes is a poorly thought out idea that would lead to a bigger crisis. The start of such a policy should be alarming.

      • Robert Hazz Geaunads

        What’s wrong with you? Why is it you can’t stand for coming here legally, like all those did before those 11 million you’re talking about? Like my ancestors and probably your ancestors did. What’s wrong with that? I don’t know anybody who hates Mexicans. They just want to know why can’t they come here legally. Why is that hard for the left to stand for?

        If the corporations need cheap labor, then change the laws to accommodate those needs.

        I know our country needs those workers. So does Trump.

        Isn’t the question really, why won’t congress change the laws to allow those corporation and business’s to hire workers non-American workers in the masses that appear to be needed?

        I fully appreciate what the Mexican laborers and people do for our country, but I also know that many Mexicans who came here legally and through the processes that allowed them citizenship, are just as angry with unlawful immigration. Wouldn’t you be too, if you followed the process in place for such goals?

  2. Robert Hazz Geaunads

    PS – sometimes I type my responses on my tiny cell phone screen, and I miss things like “be” in the opening sentences. Deal with it.

    • Shawn Robinson

      OK, you probably are thinking about ideology rather than logistics and consequences on the ground. Yes, moving 11 people from one place to another in a short time without preparation will be a humanitarian disaster. That does not mean people should stay here illegally. It means returning 11 million people at once is a problem. They have to go somewhere. If they are just dumped in Mexico, we would really be shipping 11 million new homeless people to Mexico. If you can remember a time whern 11 million people showed up anywhere needing food, water, living arrangements on demand, you let me know. I think the big controversy in Europe is the additional 1 million refugees who have arrived. Multiply that by 11 and you should get a problem more than ten times that in the southwest.
      Just like the narrowly focused people who want to repeal the PPACA, they have no solution for the undesirable aftermath of their ideas but keep on thinking it will be a good idea.

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