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	<description>The Sweeny Report takes you into the murky world of  local, state and national politics. Political Editor Chuck Sweeny will try to de-mystify things for you -- once he figures it out himself, that is.</description>
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		<title>By: Wester Wuori</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-364</link>
		<author>Wester Wuori</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Chicagoans, and I mean suburbanites too, already do spend lots of money here.  Talk to the RACVB and they'll tell you it's not Rockford residents that are filling up Magic Waters and Anderson Gardens, to name a couple. Aldeen Golf Course is an incredible bargain, by suburban golf standards, and they'd tell you they get lots of out of towners as well. Efficient Metra rail would increase that overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Chicagoans, and I mean suburbanites too, already do spend lots of money here.  Talk to the RACVB and they&#8217;ll tell you it&#8217;s not Rockford residents that are filling up Magic Waters and Anderson Gardens, to name a couple. Aldeen Golf Course is an incredible bargain, by suburban golf standards, and they&#8217;d tell you they get lots of out of towners as well. Efficient Metra rail would increase that overnight.</p>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-361</link>
		<author>Leatherneck</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points, Wester. But do you really think Chicagoans are going to come to Rockford to shop and enjoy our cultural attractions? You are an optimist; we need more optimists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points, Wester. But do you really think Chicagoans are going to come to Rockford to shop and enjoy our cultural attractions? You are an optimist; we need more optimists.</p>
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		<title>By: Wester Wuori</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-360</link>
		<author>Wester Wuori</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These forums are exhausting.  Couple of quick hit-and-run statements. 

*Metra Rail would change this community overnight and for the better. Dollars would travel both ways.  We'd have people living in Rockford, spending money here, but earning Chicago and suburban salaries.  That increases our local tax base and gives us more ability as a community to improve our infrastructure, schools, recreation, etc. And, we'd have people who live in Chicago and the suburbs coming out to Rockford to take advantage of golf courses, MetroCentre, Coronado, Anderson Gardens, shopping, etc.  Again, all adding to the tax base which we then use to build a better community. 

Metra is cheap, clean, efficient and so much less stressful than driving into Chicago, worrying about gas, tolls, parking etc.  I've taken it dozens of times from Elgin over the years and it's a great way to travel. 

*Buses are more susceptible to traffic issues, weather, etc. and are not nearly as quiet and comfortable as rail. Say what you want, but express buses are not the answer. 

*As to the Amtrak question.  I've taken Amtrak from Chicago to both Washington and Philadelphia over the years and it's a fairly nice way to travel. Coach seats are roomier than on a plane.  But, service is spotty, food is not that great and it's a lonnnnng ride.  Be ready for that. 

*One final thought on a theme that always seems to dominate these discussions and that's how tax dollars are spent. I'm a homeowner in Rockford so I do have skin in the game.  Bottom line: We have to spend money to make money. I'm OK having my taxes raised if I know that it's going to fund something that will make our community better and raise my standard of living.  Burying our heads in the sand and refusing to take risks is what brought our community to the precarious state it is in right now.  Don't liike the way government is spending our money.  Then, as voters, we have a responsibility to vote 'em out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These forums are exhausting.  Couple of quick hit-and-run statements. </p>
<p>*Metra Rail would change this community overnight and for the better. Dollars would travel both ways.  We&#8217;d have people living in Rockford, spending money here, but earning Chicago and suburban salaries.  That increases our local tax base and gives us more ability as a community to improve our infrastructure, schools, recreation, etc. And, we&#8217;d have people who live in Chicago and the suburbs coming out to Rockford to take advantage of golf courses, MetroCentre, Coronado, Anderson Gardens, shopping, etc.  Again, all adding to the tax base which we then use to build a better community. </p>
<p>Metra is cheap, clean, efficient and so much less stressful than driving into Chicago, worrying about gas, tolls, parking etc.  I&#8217;ve taken it dozens of times from Elgin over the years and it&#8217;s a great way to travel. </p>
<p>*Buses are more susceptible to traffic issues, weather, etc. and are not nearly as quiet and comfortable as rail. Say what you want, but express buses are not the answer. </p>
<p>*As to the Amtrak question.  I&#8217;ve taken Amtrak from Chicago to both Washington and Philadelphia over the years and it&#8217;s a fairly nice way to travel. Coach seats are roomier than on a plane.  But, service is spotty, food is not that great and it&#8217;s a lonnnnng ride.  Be ready for that. </p>
<p>*One final thought on a theme that always seems to dominate these discussions and that&#8217;s how tax dollars are spent. I&#8217;m a homeowner in Rockford so I do have skin in the game.  Bottom line: We have to spend money to make money. I&#8217;m OK having my taxes raised if I know that it&#8217;s going to fund something that will make our community better and raise my standard of living.  Burying our heads in the sand and refusing to take risks is what brought our community to the precarious state it is in right now.  Don&#8217;t liike the way government is spending our money.  Then, as voters, we have a responsibility to vote &#8216;em out.</p>
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		<title>By: redrover</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-359</link>
		<author>redrover</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Van Galder has made a pretty good business by supplying bus transit to people.  I think that there is a class-mediated fear and loathing of bus transit among some people, but if you provide a good product, people will change their minds.

With any sort of mass transit, getting passengers from the terminals to their final destinations also has to be figured into the equation.

So what if Joe Laptop and Sally Briefcase take a fast train to Big Timber but then have to dilly-dally around to get to their final suburban destination because they don't have their cars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Galder has made a pretty good business by supplying bus transit to people.  I think that there is a class-mediated fear and loathing of bus transit among some people, but if you provide a good product, people will change their minds.</p>
<p>With any sort of mass transit, getting passengers from the terminals to their final destinations also has to be figured into the equation.</p>
<p>So what if Joe Laptop and Sally Briefcase take a fast train to Big Timber but then have to dilly-dally around to get to their final suburban destination because they don&#8217;t have their cars!</p>
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		<title>By: hokumboy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-358</link>
		<author>hokumboy</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're toying with the idea of taking Amtrak from Chicago to New York this summer.  It appears the cost would would be a little more than our gas, about $50, but if we drove we'd prob use a motel half way there.  So, that would be an extra $200.  Adding car rental once we get there it would be a bit more expensive for the trip but it's a night trip and they do the driving.  
We're tempted.
Has anyone taken a train trip of this type recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re toying with the idea of taking Amtrak from Chicago to New York this summer.  It appears the cost would would be a little more than our gas, about $50, but if we drove we&#8217;d prob use a motel half way there.  So, that would be an extra $200.  Adding car rental once we get there it would be a bit more expensive for the trip but it&#8217;s a night trip and they do the driving.<br />
We&#8217;re tempted.<br />
Has anyone taken a train trip of this type recently?</p>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-356</link>
		<author>Leatherneck</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we are seeing that ethanol is not  the panacea that everyone thought it would be, so what can we do? Hydrogen is still a long way off. Many RPS school busses run on propane; I am curious how many of the Van Galder fleet run on propane. I don't know.

We could open up a couple new oil refineries. But the problem is "who wants an oil refinery in their backyard?" There are congressmen who pay lip service to a better energy policy, but would be foaming at the mouth if an oil refinery were proposed in the Chicagoland area.

Chuck is right that there is sort of a "stigma" attached to busses. But honestly, if you sit on any mode of transportation for over an hour, your derriere will be sore...and that includes planes and trains. If you have ever flown AirTran, you know what I'm talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we are seeing that ethanol is not  the panacea that everyone thought it would be, so what can we do? Hydrogen is still a long way off. Many RPS school busses run on propane; I am curious how many of the Van Galder fleet run on propane. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>We could open up a couple new oil refineries. But the problem is &#8220;who wants an oil refinery in their backyard?&#8221; There are congressmen who pay lip service to a better energy policy, but would be foaming at the mouth if an oil refinery were proposed in the Chicagoland area.</p>
<p>Chuck is right that there is sort of a &#8220;stigma&#8221; attached to busses. But honestly, if you sit on any mode of transportation for over an hour, your derriere will be sore&#8230;and that includes planes and trains. If you have ever flown AirTran, you know what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: hokumboy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-355</link>
		<author>hokumboy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you're right about the first point.  Busses have always gotten a bad rap.  Trains, even Metra, are roomier and at least give the impression of being faster.  Leaving Rockford at the old IC depot, with another couple of stops at Perryville and Irene and ending up in Chicago would be an ideal commuter route for the line.

I know you're right on your second point.  $5 gas is just around the corner.  Manzullo's outdated ideas on our energy policy are just that, outdated.  We've got to quit talking about scraping the bottoms of our oil barrels and seriously work on alternatives.    It's not as though no one knew that these energy problems would arise.  
 The suspension of the gas tax, which is supported by Manzullo, McCain, and Clinton, is one lame  excuse  for action. It rates right up there with the "tax rebate" con the Bush Administration calls "incentive" or that wonderful idea that a Riverwalk will bring peace and prosperity to Rockford.  We've got to develop and return to alternatives to our dependence on the automobile  as our means of travel.  And, we've got to do it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;re right about the first point.  Busses have always gotten a bad rap.  Trains, even Metra, are roomier and at least give the impression of being faster.  Leaving Rockford at the old IC depot, with another couple of stops at Perryville and Irene and ending up in Chicago would be an ideal commuter route for the line.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re right on your second point.  $5 gas is just around the corner.  Manzullo&#8217;s outdated ideas on our energy policy are just that, outdated.  We&#8217;ve got to quit talking about scraping the bottoms of our oil barrels and seriously work on alternatives.    It&#8217;s not as though no one knew that these energy problems would arise.<br />
 The suspension of the gas tax, which is supported by Manzullo, McCain, and Clinton, is one lame  excuse  for action. It rates right up there with the &#8220;tax rebate&#8221; con the Bush Administration calls &#8220;incentive&#8221; or that wonderful idea that a Riverwalk will bring peace and prosperity to Rockford.  We&#8217;ve got to develop and return to alternatives to our dependence on the automobile  as our means of travel.  And, we&#8217;ve got to do it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-352</link>
		<author>Chuck Sweeny</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 05:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don't like to ride buses. Period. We need a fast, reliable rail system and eventually we will have one, because the days of cheap gas are over -- and they are not coming back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t like to ride buses. Period. We need a fast, reliable rail system and eventually we will have one, because the days of cheap gas are over &#8212; and they are not coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: hokumboy</title>
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		<author>hokumboy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How 'bout some regular shuttle busses to and from Harvard or Elgin ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How &#8217;bout some regular shuttle busses to and from Harvard or Elgin ?</p>
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		<title>By: redrover</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/01/train-plan-a-good-start-now-who-will-do-the-heavy-lifting-to-bring-it/#comment-350</link>
		<author>redrover</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, the way to build ridership for a mass transit link to Chicago is to build on what already exists -- bus transit.

For a small fraction of what it would cost to build this rail boondoggle, one could perhaps create bus-only lanes on I-90 and subsidize bus transport to Dubuque/Galena and other points west of here.

Once folks get used to using a reliable and fast bus service, one can begin to look at rail, or light rail or some other higher density option</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the way to build ridership for a mass transit link to Chicago is to build on what already exists &#8212; bus transit.</p>
<p>For a small fraction of what it would cost to build this rail boondoggle, one could perhaps create bus-only lanes on I-90 and subsidize bus transport to Dubuque/Galena and other points west of here.</p>
<p>Once folks get used to using a reliable and fast bus service, one can begin to look at rail, or light rail or some other higher density option</p>
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