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	<title>Comments on: Waging a new military campaign to elect McCain</title>
	<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/</link>
	<description>The Sweeny Report takes you into the murky world of  local, state and national politics. Political Editor Chuck Sweeny will try to de-mystify things for you -- once he figures it out himself, that is.</description>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-424</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-424</guid>
		<description>Okay, thanks.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, thanks.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-421</link>
		<author>Chuck Sweeny</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-421</guid>
		<description>I thought it was in poor taste, so I yanked it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was in poor taste, so I yanked it.</p>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-418</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-418</guid>
		<description>Chuck, what did you pull your, "uh huh," comment? 
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, what did you pull your, &#8220;uh huh,&#8221; comment?<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: ROTStar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-416</link>
		<author>ROTStar</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-416</guid>
		<description>No Rosie, there YOU go again!

Oh, wait, this isn't Rosie O'Donnells blog - sorry.

While a person can take virtually any event in history and skew them to fit their current political purpose it would not be accurate or historically correct to do so.  Particularly for a journalist who suggests that the current President may attack another nation for purely partisan reasons.

For example:
Gulf Of Tonkin -- (as Rosie would say, "Google it!") In 1995 General Giap admitted that the first attack of August 2 DID in fact occur.  The NSA report specifically said the report was NOT political but was intended to cover up intelligence errors -- the Johnson administration was not given correct information, they did not massage the info to initiate a war.
USS Maine -- You yourself admit:&lt;blockquote&gt;So, who or what caused the Maine to explode and sink? To this day, the U.S. Navy says it doesn’t know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In addition the Maine was NOT used as causus belle.  As a matter of fact it was the media that latched on to that in an effort to pressure McKinley to war that HE DID NOT WANT.
Pearl Harbor -- despite 10 investigations to date not one piece of evidence has been found proving foreknowledge by a member of the administration.
Iraq -- The Iraqi resolution contained more then 20 justifications.  In addition a study in 2006 of the pre-war debate discovered that the media was the first to use the term, "imminent threat," and that was picked up by Democrats in congress but was never used by the administration which specifically said it was not yet imminent.  (This has been investigated and debated repeatedly -- If you want to start a debate I will leave that to you.)

Strange you didn't mention Clinton's attacks on Iraq or Bosnia in your, "wag the dog," scenarios.  Or were those beyond reproach?

While I agree that war and almost everything every government does is political from a historical perspective your suggestion of multiple political conspiracies falls apart when the historical facts are included in the narrative, particularly the available contemporary facts.

We all make the best decisions we can with the information available at that time -- while history may not always validate that decision that in no way means the decisions were conspiracies.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Rosie, there YOU go again!</p>
<p>Oh, wait, this isn&#8217;t Rosie O&#8217;Donnells blog - sorry.</p>
<p>While a person can take virtually any event in history and skew them to fit their current political purpose it would not be accurate or historically correct to do so.  Particularly for a journalist who suggests that the current President may attack another nation for purely partisan reasons.</p>
<p>For example:<br />
Gulf Of Tonkin &#8212; (as Rosie would say, &#8220;Google it!&#8221;) In 1995 General Giap admitted that the first attack of August 2 DID in fact occur.  The NSA report specifically said the report was NOT political but was intended to cover up intelligence errors &#8212; the Johnson administration was not given correct information, they did not massage the info to initiate a war.<br />
USS Maine &#8212; You yourself admit:<br />
<blockquote>So, who or what caused the Maine to explode and sink? To this day, the U.S. Navy says it doesn’t know.</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition the Maine was NOT used as causus belle.  As a matter of fact it was the media that latched on to that in an effort to pressure McKinley to war that HE DID NOT WANT.<br />
Pearl Harbor &#8212; despite 10 investigations to date not one piece of evidence has been found proving foreknowledge by a member of the administration.<br />
Iraq &#8212; The Iraqi resolution contained more then 20 justifications.  In addition a study in 2006 of the pre-war debate discovered that the media was the first to use the term, &#8220;imminent threat,&#8221; and that was picked up by Democrats in congress but was never used by the administration which specifically said it was not yet imminent.  (This has been investigated and debated repeatedly &#8212; If you want to start a debate I will leave that to you.)</p>
<p>Strange you didn&#8217;t mention Clinton&#8217;s attacks on Iraq or Bosnia in your, &#8220;wag the dog,&#8221; scenarios.  Or were those beyond reproach?</p>
<p>While I agree that war and almost everything every government does is political from a historical perspective your suggestion of multiple political conspiracies falls apart when the historical facts are included in the narrative, particularly the available contemporary facts.</p>
<p>We all make the best decisions we can with the information available at that time &#8212; while history may not always validate that decision that in no way means the decisions were conspiracies.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-406</link>
		<author>Chuck Sweeny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-406</guid>
		<description>The Japanese should have known that you can't take over Asia without your own supply of oil.

Paranoid? Please. As Reagan would say, "there you go again."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese should have known that you can&#8217;t take over Asia without your own supply of oil.</p>
<p>Paranoid? Please. As Reagan would say, &#8220;there you go again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Biltmore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-405</link>
		<author>John Biltmore</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-405</guid>
		<description>Chuck, seems to me that of the examples you cited, only one seems clearly a "wag the dog" scenario (Tonkin.) As you said, the evidence is unclear for both Pearl Harbor and the Maine. As to Iraq, well, that one to me falls on the cusp of arrogance and incompetence rather than a purposeful instigation (not that that makes it any better.) By that I mean the administration saw what it wanted to see -- fooled itself into believing the weapons were there. I suppose that's just semantics on my part.

I remain intrigued WRT to Pearl Harbor, having watched two movies on it recently.  I believe the administration knew something was about to happen, but I do not believe they had precise knowledge of time, date and place, and deliberately stood down. I think there mistake was more political - they did not have the foresight to see how desperate Japan was becoming.

As for this fall, well, I have to agree you're sounding a bit paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, seems to me that of the examples you cited, only one seems clearly a &#8220;wag the dog&#8221; scenario (Tonkin.) As you said, the evidence is unclear for both Pearl Harbor and the Maine. As to Iraq, well, that one to me falls on the cusp of arrogance and incompetence rather than a purposeful instigation (not that that makes it any better.) By that I mean the administration saw what it wanted to see &#8212; fooled itself into believing the weapons were there. I suppose that&#8217;s just semantics on my part.</p>
<p>I remain intrigued WRT to Pearl Harbor, having watched two movies on it recently.  I believe the administration knew something was about to happen, but I do not believe they had precise knowledge of time, date and place, and deliberately stood down. I think there mistake was more political - they did not have the foresight to see how desperate Japan was becoming.</p>
<p>As for this fall, well, I have to agree you&#8217;re sounding a bit paranoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-404</link>
		<author>Chuck Sweeny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-404</guid>
		<description>I'm just saying that it is not unusual for governments to stage or instigate  incidents to justify wars they want to start. History is replete with such incidents. I just touched the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying that it is not unusual for governments to stage or instigate  incidents to justify wars they want to start. History is replete with such incidents. I just touched the surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Sense of Five</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-401</link>
		<author>Sense of Five</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sweenyreport/2008/05/08/waging-a-new-military-campaign-to-elect-mccain/#comment-401</guid>
		<description>This paper is becoming paranoid.  McCain will win because he\'s McCain.  It is interesting how his most vocal supporters eight years ago are his biggest critics!  It shows that they found McCain useful, as an opponent to the Republican nominee and President-elect.  What Rush has been saying for eight years is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This paper is becoming paranoid.  McCain will win because he\&#8217;s McCain.  It is interesting how his most vocal supporters eight years ago are his biggest critics!  It shows that they found McCain useful, as an opponent to the Republican nominee and President-elect.  What Rush has been saying for eight years is true.</p>
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