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Social Security Disability leads to life of dependancy

According to Newsmax.com, the number of people receiving Social Security disability benefits have increased to the point that the system is going broke.

Excerpt:

Federal funding from other sources, including incoming payroll taxes, covers 79 percent of disability insurance payments, which average $1,111 a month. But that leaves 21 percent uncovered if the disability insurance fund runs out of money.

 Nearly 11 million Americans currently receive disability benefits and last year the program cost taxpayers $132 billion — more than the combined annual budgets of the Departments of Agriculture, Homeland Security, Commerce, Labor, Justice, and the Interior.

One in 18 workers receive disability payments from Social Security. The Social Security Administration will run out of money for disability at this rate in about 4 years in 2016.

Excerpts:

The disability rolls have grown 23 percent since 2007, in large part because of the bad economy. Unemployed Americans who exhaust their unemployment benefits have been seeking disability benefits for assistance.

The disability program formerly benefited people with debilitating conditions such as strokes and cancer. But Congress expanded the benefits pool to include such claimed ailments as depression, back pain, and chronic fatigue syndrome.

The program allows disabled workers to switch to Medicare after two years regardless of whether they are 65 years old or not! This leads to low-income workers without insurance trying to get disability and they remain in the program once they qualify for these benefits.

Excerpt:

Disability status also makes recipients eligible for food stamps and other benefits. Fewer than 1 percent of those who start collecting benefits return to work.

Really?  

Congress could curb spending on the program by demanding more aggressive screening of applicants and more incentives for them to go back to work. Until then, disability under Social Security, with poor incentives to leave the system, results in high costs and an unsustainable future.

 

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  1. Carol Foster

    Well you got this one right. Social Security isn’t the place for those kinds of diabilities. What you didn’t get was how to handle the problem except to cut people off.
    As usual with you, Ted, your concern is all about your wallet and not human beings.

    Isn’t that why Conservatives now want to make the costs of healthcare the issue for the Nov. election?

    Like healthcare, we don’t see little old Conservative you, with a plan in hand, other than cutting people off and pretending they don’t exist. Guess you expect those charities you talk so often about will step in and pick-up the slack?

  2. Terry

    The number of people that are on social security diability has nearly doubled in the past decade. Some social security admisitrative judges have nearly a 100% favorablity rate for the “disabled”. There are plenty of scam artists. People on disablity should need to reapply every year for this benefit.

    This story reminds of a story about the Obama adminsitration that was written by a Billy Fleming from Georgia regarding the food stamp program:

    “The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever. Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to ‘Please Do Not Feed the Animals. Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves. This ends today’s lesson.’”

  3. Juice

    Oh Carol, people are leeching off your Social Security? How dare they!! It’s ok though, but just send them to a DIFFERENT trough?? LOL

    What about disability payments in general, Ted? It has skyrocketed like 40% under Obama. There must be some kind of virus going around. I know a couple of freeloaders personally. I can’t believe they are getting away with it. What has amerika become with all these lazy scammers?

  4. Elizabeth

    Waiting two years is a death sentence for people who have disabilities. It requires them to spend everything they own and go on medicaid. If someone is truly disabled they should get health insurance before they lose their life savings or life.

    That being said the SSI program should be terminated. That program allows parents to put their “disabled” children on SSI whether or not the parents have ever contibuted to the system. This is regularly abused. Many of the children are declared disabled for behavior issues probably related to a poor home life or things like asthma, ADHD. And the screening needs to be better and handled in a fair way. It may take two years or more to get SSDI. Reagan created a lot of the mess when he threw many many people off social security and they had to prove they were still disabled. If SSI was terminated for children and the kids put on Medicaide it would save lots of money for medicare.

    • Ted Biondo

      Elizabeth – you hit the nail on the head. Even 60 minutes had a program that showed one women had 5 of her 6 child on SSI checks. She was showing them how to act in school, eyc. to keep the benefits. She was collecting more than double the average wage in the town in which she lived.

      When asked about it by the news media, she simply said, well the money’s available and she was just following the system’s rules and getting 5 checks a month.

  5. wilson

    Carol says “Ted, your concern is all about your wallet and not human beings.”
    So Carol, Brian Terry and his parents aren’t human beings?

  6. Juice

    I’ve seen shows where people with no hands run a computer and earn a living. We have millions of able-bodied people who are living off the government and walking the streets all day, their full-time “job” I guess. Maybe Obama sees it as payback or something. I really don’t understand it.

  7. Carol Foster

    Wilson
    If Ted and the committee had any real concerns about Brian Tery and his parents, they would demand changes in laws concerning the sale of weapons. The guy with the Link Card would be in jail. Remember, he made the purchase from a gun store not a back alley.
    Juice
    Guess you missed the part about people exhausting unemployment and turning to disability? This is nothing new under this President. YOu see more of it because the unempolyment rate is higher and more prolonged.
    Get serious about the problems and not the politics of the problems. Both sides have said for a vey long time disability, as done nowadays using Social Security, is wrong. Social Security needs to be only for retirement. All other things belong elsewhere on other venues.

  8. I hope the Nuns on the Bus pay you a visit Ted.

  9. SNuss

    I just finished reading John Stossel’s book, “NO, THEY CAN’T!”, and it answers a lot of these questions on government waste, and bureaucratic excess.

    However, I cannot recommend that you Liberals read it, because of the massive cleanup costs from when your heads explode, due to the influx of so much common sense and logic.

    BTW, Carol, who takes care of all these people, when the money runs out?

    “The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”

    - James Madison.

  10. SNuss

    From John Stossel’s special, “Out Of Work!”:

    “There are no jobs!” That is what people told me when I visited a NYC ” jobs center” near my Fox studios.

    Is it true?

    Tonight, I look into that, when I join Fox Business anchors for a special on Fox News Channel, “Out of Work”.

    My team of four producers explored the area within a few blocks of the “jobs center” and in a few hours, found 40 job openings. 24 were entry-level positions.

    Less than one block away, a restaurant owner told me he would hire 12 to 14 people immediately, if eager workers would just apply.

    Why don’t they? Why work if you can get a check from government without working? Studies show that one third of all unemployed workers suddenly find a job only when their government checks stop.

    It’s not just in the city. We also went to the beach, where some seasonal workers, like lifeguards, collect unemployment benefits all winter long.

    Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012/07/03/out-work-airs-tuesday-9pm-et-fnc#ixzz1zfb7B2xZ

    See when his special will air again on FNC, later this week. You Leftists might learn something.

  11. wilson

    Carol says,
    “Wilson
    If Ted and the committee had any real concerns about Brian Tery and his parents, they would demand changes in laws concerning the sale of weapons”

    How about enforcing the laws on the books and hold the folks accountable for the botched Fast and Furious operation? Oh, the most transparent administration in the history of the world won’t provide the documents.
    So I guess we should just move on, there is nothing to see.
    The problem you have Carol, is you have no compassion if it means the Obama administration is involved.
    The government under his and Holders watch allowed guns to be “walked” into Mexico
    and this administration made no attempt to track the guns in any way, shape or form. Consequently, more than 1,400 guns were “lost” (i.e., were handed to drug cartel murderers) in UNCONTROLLED DELIVERIES. More than 300 Mexicans citizens have been murdered with the guns that Obama administration handed out to drug cartel murderers.

    So what gun law changes would have prevented this?

    I think this administration has proven that the Rule of Law is obsolete.

  12. SNuss

    What is even more insidious about “Fast & Furious”, is that the Obama regime SHOULD have learned from the failure of the Bush administration’s “Wide Receiver” program, where ONE DEALER set up a “straw purchase” of pistols, which were equipped with tracking devices. Both U.S. and Mexican law enforcement were supposed to track the weapons. However, the tracking devices were found, and discarded by the crooks, and the Mexican law enforcement didn’t follow up well, so many guns were lost. The Bush administration killed the program.

    The Obama “Fast & Furious” program recruited several dealers to supply the guns (with the ATF’s blessing), used NO tracking devices, virtually NO U.S. surveillance of the buyers, and NO Mexican support. It is almost as if the regime WANTED the program to fail, and it is suspected that this was an attempt to get support for more restrictive gun laws, after the flood of weapons was traced back to the U.S.

    Unfortunately for the Obama regime, the fact that THEY allowed these guns across the border became public knowledge, as well as the fact that were used to murder hundreds of Mexican citizens, and at least one U.S. Border Patrol officer, Brian Terry. Many thanks are due to the patriotic agents who blew the whistle on this disaster.

  13. SNuss

    Correction: “that THEY were used”

  14. I don’t think anyone disagrees with the concept the cheaters should get jobs and be taken off of the rolls. I am the grown daughter of a parent who was on disability for many years in the 70′s and 80′s and had to prove it over and over again from his hospital bed. I remember my mom’s tears when those payments were threatened unless he attended a hearing (he couldn’t). By the way, he was also a veteran. Some of you act like cheating the system is the norm. For the vast majority of people receiving aid, they do NOT want to do it and it is NOT the life you want. The Reagan administration was cruel to people like us, but now that I am an adult, I can see why some of the stuff was done (but not all of it). My mother had it with his administration’s policies when suddenly my 14 year old sister was expected to work to completely support herself, when she WAS working AND contributing to our household AND going to school. My mother still FUMES when we talk about it, and she is in her 80′s. John Stossel? Fox News. haha In their world, the poor are all homeless, the wealthy have everything they need with no worries, and there is absolutely nothing in between.

  15. Carol Foster

    Thanks for sharing LuLu, it’s so tiring listening to the chatter of most Americans don’t want to work and are cheating the system and they belong on a dole from charities and not to bother Conservatives with this minor problems.
    Wilson
    I simply cut to the chase when there’s a problem so solutions become a top priority. Politics stays in place to rehash what it feels is a point on contention and solves nothing. YOu stay in place as long as you like, I’ve moved on.
    If it weren’t so easy to buy guns here, cartels would be shopping elsewhere. You forget, the purchases made were legal ones. If you got everything asked for in documents, you’d still be stuck in place and still not suggesting better laws concerning the sale of weapons was a logical answer.
    The super glue of politics is why the Congress has those terrific ratings nowadays. A high majority of the American People has clearly said they want problem solving skills and politics to end.
    Would you happen to be a Tea Party Supporter?

  16. SNuss

    Carol, can’t you read? The dealers who sold those guns were instructed to do so BY THE ATF!

    In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the “big fish.” But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called “gunwalking,” and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

    ATF officials didn’t intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called “Demand Letter 3″. That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or “long guns.” Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

    Read more at:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

    Notice, Carol, CBS NEWS!

  17. Angie

    SS benefits whether normal retirement or disability should be for those that worked to earn that benefit. The system is failing because it pays out to those that have not paid in.

    In order to qualify for disability one has to wait a year or more and then they are usually denied and have to appeal dragging it out longer.

    How does one get work? No employer in general will hire a person that has any kind of health issues. Applications for employment sometimes go so far as to ask for signed releases of medical records. With background checks the norm any issues can be found whether one is forthcoming or not. If you are on disability, chances are your credit is worse than poor and that is checked before employment, too.

    Those on disability pay, earn what is considered by the government as poverty income.

    Again, stop paying to those that have not paid their share into the system. This is the only way to begin to stop the uncontroled bleeding of the system.

  18. Carol Foster

    SNuss
    I actaully read very well, thank you. Maybe you need to learn the laws, as those purchases were legal and that’s why the guy with the Link Card is still walking around.
    I note you’ve not much to say about disability & Social Security or Lulu’s life experience. A problem you find difficult to deal with as usual, real people telling you in real terms, what you’re suggesting about how easy a free ride is and everyone is doing it, doesn’t hold water. Blows a hole in the Conservative theory of all those lazy people getting those gov checks you are supporting who are purposely attemting to over-throw the gov. with a socialist/’marxist etc. President who got himself elected and will refuse to vacate office if your candidate wins. Did I get that right, SNuss. Your usual line of bull?
    No suggested solution, but thanks, I needed the fertilizer for the roses.

  19. snuss

    Carol, “straw ” purchases of guns are already illegal. ATF authorized crimes to be committed, and then (intentionally?) failed to prevent those guns from “walking” into Mexico. Whether through incompetence, or malicious intent, the results were the same.

    BTW, I have never suggested that Obama would “refuse to vacate office if your candidate wins”, but with his “transparent” record, anything is possible.

    But enough serious talk. How about some humor?

    A cowboy from Texas attends a social function where Barack Obama is trying to gather more support for his Health Plan.

    Once he discovers the cowboy is from President Bush’s home area, he starts to belittle him by talking in a southern drawl and single syllable words.

    As he was doing that, he kept swatting at some flies that were buzzing around his head. The cowboy says, “Y’all havin’ some problem with them circle flies?”

    Obama stopped talking and said, “Well, yes, if that’s what they’re called, but I’ve never heard of circle flies.”

    “Well Sir,” the cowboy replies, “circle flies hang around ranches. They’re called circle flies because they’re almost always found circling around the back end of a horse.”

    “Oh,” Obama replies as he goes back to rambling. But, a moment later he stops and bluntly asks, “Are you calling me a horse’s (behind)?”

    “No, Sir,” the cowboy replies, “I have too much respect for the citizens of this country to call their President a horse’s (behind).”

    “That’s a good thing,” Obama responds and begins rambling on once more.

    After a long pause, the cowboy, in his best Texas drawl says, “Hard to fool them flies, though.”

  20. Angie, your theory is wonderful, but there are people out there who get some kind of help their entire life because of birth defects. What happens to them? They have no hope of “contributing” to the system. Thanks for your answer.

  21. SNuss

    Lulu, there are charities who dedicate themselves to helping children, such as you describe. Conservatives believe in helping the truly helpless, but not in subsidizing the clueless, the loafers, and those who “milk” the system.

  22. Carol Foster

    When someone tells you they believe in something, but refuse to set up a reliable system to deliver on that promise, the “but” means the real truth is you can’t count on them.
    Clueless is what SNuss hopes most people are in these matters.
    Lulu is talking about a real life experience while SNuss is talking of a make believe world of what he hopes will happen via something without substance to make it happen. Charities simply don’t have the resources.
    Not thinking gov should be involved is always code words for what he really feels about those in need as being lazy and milking the system. He can show you a dozen who do it that have been caught at it. What he doesn’t show are those in need who are being helped consistantly and not relying upon a maybe occassional thing from a charity.
    Local food banks are an example of how charity does some good but isn’t always reliable. Most will allow shopping once or twice a month and their inventory is very limited based upon donations from businesses etc. Yet hunger is a daily need. One in every five children isn’t sure where their next meal will come from in America. That the reality SNuss ignores and blames lazy, clueless, loafers, so he won’t need to face the fact he lives in a nation where he doesn’t want to do anything about this problem. Where he feels a trip to the food bank twice a month will cover it.
    SNuss, charities are a non solution. Should the gov tell a fourteen year old to get a job to help support the family so they can continue to get disability checks? Evidently former President Reagan signed on to that idea for Conservatives to save a buck. Place adult problems upon kids as you do by ignoring those kids who go hungry now.

  23. snuss

    Carol, your parroting of Leftist talking points is getting old. Government is horrifically inefficient and ineffective in doing charitable (and many other) works. Reputable private charities are far more cost-effective in what they do.

  24. Angie

    Lulu ~ No system is perfect. I do understand a child with birth defects most likely will never contribute to the SS system. Unfortunately, the system was initially designed to help those working to have an income when they could no longer work. Over the years this has been corrupted to help everyone and no system will survive if support is given to those who do not or never did contribute. This is basic Math 101.

    Not only is SS system failing so are the Pension plans set up in this manner.

    If in my lifetime I pay in $60K to SS, this should be for my retirement, but it is not.
    My employer has matched that amount to SS, this would be to support those using SS benefits, and it is.

    If SS were to pay me upon retirement $2K a month that would be $24K a year. If I collect for 20 years that would be $480K this exceeds the $120K that my employer and I combined contributed. Add someone to the benefit list that has not contributed anything and this systems collapse is excelerated.

    My figures are only for math purposes and in no way reflect accuracy. It is only to show how out of balance the system is.

    For SS to survive the system needs to make some drastic changes. Go back to what it was designed for would only be a start.

    So, Carol, snuss is clueless and is imagining charities can help and your way of having a system that is lopsided continue to pay is more consistant? Yep, the government is an endless pit of money….just raise taxes when the funds are gone….

    Let’s do the math for those receiving benefits:
    Welfare Income $$
    Food Stamps $$
    Rent Subsidies $$
    WIC program $$
    Medical program $$
    Charitable assistance: Food, clothing, toys, etc.

    At one point I added up my costs vs the benefits given and to my astonishment I was earning less than the one collecting benefits. Why wouldn’t those on the system stay? I work my a$$ off and can bearly keep the roof over my head.

    Clearly the mess we’ve made will never change until the collapse is total and new systems are started. The question would be ~ will the change be for the better, will a system be in place not to be abused, is any of it possible?

  25. Juice

    Angie, the “break even” figure is about $31k gross as to whether it’s “worthwhile” to work or not (like people should have a choice) . I used to have the link but can’t find it. It was a good chart you will never see on liberal TV. Unfortunately, when the scammers find a benefits loophole, the word spreads like wildfire, thus the explosion of freeloaders the last couple years, hurting the system for the people that reallyneed it.

  26. Juice

    The country is falling apart!!! More people added to disability than got jobs last month. Can this be a coincidence?? Where does it all end? What the hell is going on in this country?

    http://news.investors.com/article/617233/201207060945/disability-climbs-faster-than-jobs-under-obama.htm

    • Ted Biondo

      We are losing our country, Juice! We live to the lowest common denominator today. Stiveing for excellence is no longer the norm. Obama says America id exceptional, like Britain is exception like every other part of the world is exceptional.

      If the leader of the country doesn’t ‘Feel” America is exceptional, then how many of his follows feel the same? We need to defeat this guy in November!

  27. Wilson

    Poor Before Welfare

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=28
    excerpt
    “Apart from informal giving by neighbors and friends, and assistance provided through church congregations, the major sources of reciprocal relief were fraternal societies such as the Knights of Pythias, Sons of Italy, Polish National Alliance, and Independent Order of Odd Fellows. The activities of these societies dwarfed those of organized charity and governmental poor-relief bureaucracies. In 1920, for example, there were over 10,000 fraternal orders in the United States with roughly 100,000 separate lodges. That year, about 18 million Americans (most of them wage earners) were members—roughly 30 per cent of all adults over age twenry. By way of contrast, about 10 per cent of workers at the time belonged to labor unions.
    While fraternal societies differed widely in their methods and goals, in general they featured a decentralized lodge system, some type of ritual, and the payment of benefits in times of sickness and death. Essentially, fraternal orders can be defined as mutual insurance agencies for the provision of social welfare to members and their families.

    By1910, they increasingly included treatment by a doctor in their menu of services. The favored method was for a lodge to contract with a general practitioner to treat members on a per-person flat-charge basis. Two of the most prominent organizations to rely on this system, known at the time as “lodge practice,” were the Foresters and the Fraternal Order of Eagles. The cost of this service was very low. The Foresters charged two dollars a year for a doctor’s care; the Eagles charged one dollar. In the case of the Eagles, coverage extended to the immediate family of the member and included home visits.
    Lodge practice established a particularly strong foothold in urban areas. In the Lower East Side of Manhattan, for example, 500 doctors had contracts with Jewish lodges alone. During the 1920s, there were an estimated 600 fraternal societies among blacks in New Orleans that offered the services of a physician.”

  28. Carol Foster

    expdoc
    Had a cheesburger at the 5 guys burger & fries today. Thanks for the suggestion, it was very tastey and we enjoyed the experience. Still prefer In-N-Out because of their mayo taste on the burger. Would stop if I were traveling and eat a 5 guys burger and their fries were excellent but a tad salty.
    SNuss
    charity isn’t always better with helping the poor in need or running a program. Medicare is cheaper than private insurance or charities in costs.
    And I’m not parroting anything, you just have your listening ears turned off as well as your solution genes.
    Wilson
    Telling us all in 1920 fraternal organizations got specials discounts for their members is nice, but not helpful in todays world. Shriners are an outstanding example ot helping children with serious problems, but they can’t possibly take on the numbers needed in this crisis of little healthcare for the many in America.
    The gov began programs when it became obvious, private charity wasn’t able to handle it. Now you may wish to move backwards and have the gov bailout, but don’t call it a solution. Don’t fool yourself it will be adequate.

  29. Terry

    The economy under Obamanomics created 80,000 jobs in June. The economy under Obamanomics added 85,000 people to Social Security Disability.

    Does any liberal see a problem with this?

  30. Wilson

    Carol,
    Yes it is helpful in showing how inept the Feds are, show me where it became obvious that private charity failed.
    Terry better to add them to unemployment because according to Pelosi and Reid that creates jobs.

  31. SNuss

    Carol, please post a chart, or some form of proof that Medicare is “cheaper” than private insurance, or charity, in costs.

    Of course, you DO realize that private insurance is charged more by medical service providers, because Medicare pays them LESS that the cost of those services, and the difference has to be made up SOMEWHERE.

    And, in the People’s Republic of Illinois, providers may not get paid for a year, or more. Some of these businesses have gone bankrupt, due to these delayed payments.

  32. Carol Foster

    Terry
    We all know 80,000 jobs isn’t nearly enough and that number for growth needs to be around 350,000 jobs. It sure beats losing 600,000 jobs per month we had when this President took over the office. It’s why so many are taking SS Disability and that what this blog is all about Ted has written. The results would be the same if the other guy had won the last election, except perhaps Romney might have influenced him to allow bankruptcy for much of our auto mfgs. and more unemployment. We will never know the answer to that one because that person lost that election.
    Wilson
    It became obvious when Medicare was created and food stamps, that charities had failed. The demand for medical care & food had exceeded the ability of charity to provide those things. Hospitals did turn away people very ill because they had no insurance and no means to pay. Only the few facilities were open to them as charity cases and when they were full, that was it. Heart attack patience were not allowed services and sent to charity wards in county hospitals if the ambulance arrived with someone withcout insurance onbaord. Women in the end stages of labor turned away legally.
    You have to think back to how it was and not how you wish it was in our short past with those who were sick and poor. Middle class got no help if they didn’t have insurance with their employers for the most part. It’s really good the healthcare law says you buy insurance rather than the trip to Disney World every year.
    SNuss
    the stats have been posted too often to repeat here for you once more. Medicare operates at about 3% costs. And yes, medicare gets special rates cheaper than insurance companys. Keep in mind if you have no insurance you pay far more than insurance companys as well so we have a three tier system of rates and the uninsured are at the top of the pile of being overcharged as the medical community seems to survive with the first two payments. Our insurance settled the bill of over $150,000 at about 67% of it and that was accepted as payment in full. Profit made nicely thank you. All share holders very happy as well as ourselves.
    Common sense ought to tell you if the food banks run by churches etc are overwhelmed by the need now, and we have food stamps (Link Card), how do you expect them to take over if LInk Card mostly disappear and you ask they also get people in to see doctors or hospitals for major treatments or surgery? Talk about creating “death panel” that’s got to be a sure path to waiting until it’s too late to help people, is to have charities decide who gets help and who waits until funds are available.
    Appluad the charities who do help, but don’t drown them under an avalance of those in need they can’t hope to handle. That’s cruel to all concerned in the matter.

  33. Terry

    carol,

    “It’s why so many are taking SS Disability and that what this blog is all about Ted has written…”

    Running out of unemployment benefits is not a reason to get disability benefits. That’s all you liberals think of is handouts. It’s how you measure success – how many people are on gov’t welfare.

    Considering we have started the fourth year of Obama’s economic recovery, these jobs numbers are pathetic. If Obama would get the gov’ts regulatory foot off of business’ throat, jobs would be created. ObamaCare has created 13,000 pages of regulations – so far.

    And with LINK Card, we have the fattest poor people on the planet.

  34. SNuss

    Here are a few quotes for Carol, since she loves them so:

    The Wisdom of Thomas Sowell.

    “I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”

    “It’s amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites. ”

    “Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good.”

    “People who pride themselves on their “complexity” and deride others for being “simplistic” should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

    “Bailing out people who made ill-advised mortgages makes no more sense that bailing out people who lost their life savings in Las Vegas casinos.”

    “If politicians stopped meddling with things they don’t understand, there would be a more drastic reduction in the size of government than anyone in either party advocates.”

    “Socialism is a wonderful idea. It is only as a reality that it has been disastrous. Among people of every race, color, and creed, all around the world, socialism has led to hunger in countries that used to have surplus food to export…. Nevertheless, for many of those who deal primarily in ideas, socialism remains an attractive idea — in fact, seductive. Its every failure is explained away as due to the inadequacies of particular leaders. ”

    And finally:
    “It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.”

    Read more at: http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/2056.Thomas_Sowell

  35. Carol Foster

    Terry
    You have less regulations on business now than ever before, so having less isn’t your answer. And I’ve said long ago one term for any seated President isn’t going to do the job where jobs are concerned and this economy. This is a very long haul back to what seems normal as the whole world is involved in the recovery and not just the U.S.A..
    Blaming “liberals” for what you call “handouts” says you feel only “liberals” have taken disability etc..
    Only “liberals” must have Link Cards.
    Only “liberals” use Medicaid or Medicare.
    When you decide solutions have nothing to do with politics, but deal with real problems, referring to “liberals” won’t be the least bit important to you in your comments.
    Ilness & hunger know no political party.

  36. Juice

    The first story is a must read. It debunks what is continually called “factual” by nearly everyone in the media.

    http://raisedonhoecakes.com/ROH/2012/02/14/foodstamps-and-the-broken-window-fallacy/

    http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Presidents.png

  37. Terry

    Carol,

    Less regulations than ever before? WRONG. Check the Federal Register.

    Worse economic recovery since WW2. The deeper the recession, the better the recovery – except when Obama is in charge.

    Only Liberals measure compassion by how much they handout. Conservatives measure compassion by how many people come off of the gov’t dole.

    You are ignorant on economics.

  38. wilson

    Carol,
    Is this your opinion?
    “It became obvious when Medicare was created and food stamps, that charities had failed. The demand for medical care & food had exceeded the ability of charity to provide those things. Hospitals did turn away people very ill because they had no insurance and no means to pay.”

    I asked for proof.

    • Ted Biondo

      Carol doesn’t use proof Wilson, just emotion with little or no data!

  39. SNuss

    Carol sez (without proof): “You have less regulations on business now than ever before,”

    Oh, really?

    Administration involvement in the work of regulators has increased since President Obama took office, according to a study from a liberal think tank.

    The Center for Progressive Reform (CPR) report released Monday claims Obama officials have changed more regulations than the administration of George W. Bush.

    While the Bush administration altered 64 percent of regulations it reviewed, the Obama administration has changed 76 percent, the study found.

    “President Obama promised to free government from the grip of special interests, but instead he’s opened the White House doors wide to industry lobbyists seeking to block needed health and safety protections, further politicizing the regulatory process” said report co-author and CPR President Rena Steinzor in a statement.

    The study accuses the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) of overstepping its boundaries by needlessly stalling and altering regulations. The CPR report claims OIRA is also disproportionately focused on the regulations coming out of the Environmental Protection Agency.

    Read the rest at: http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/195657-study-more-regulations-changed-under-obama-than-under-bush

  40. SNuss

    And………

    Regulatory costs much higher under Obama than Bush

    A new study by the conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation has found that the federal government has issued 106 major new rules that increased regulatory compliance burdens during the first three years of President Barack Obama’s administration.

    As Washington Bureau Chief Kent Hoover reports, these regulations will cost the economy $46 billion a year – five times as much as the cost of regulations issued under President George W. Bush.

    Last year, the Obama administration issued 32 major regulations, with an estimated annual cost of $10 billion. These regulatory cost estimates come from government agencies, not Heritage or pro-business economists. The Dodd-Frank Act, the law that reformed financial regulation, spawned 12 of these new major rules. The Environmental Protection Agency issued the costliest regulations, however. Its five major rules will cost $4 billion a year by imposing stricter pollution limits on industrial and commercial boilers and incinerators, as well as coal-fired power plants.

    Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2012/03/regulatory-costs-much-higher-under.html

  41. SNuss

    To be fair, the Obama regime IS increasing jobs, in ONE area……

    Regulation Business, Jobs, Booming Under Obama

    If the federal government’s regulatory operation were a business, it would be one of the 50 biggest in the country in terms of revenues, and the third largest in terms of employees, with more people working for it than McDonald’s, Ford, Disney and Boeing combined.

    Under President Obama, while the economy is struggling to grow and create jobs, the federal regulatory business is booming.

    Regulatory agencies have seen their combined budgets grow a healthy 16% since 2008, topping $54 billion, according to the annual “Regulator’s Budget,” compiled by George Washington University and Washington University in St. Louis.

    That’s at a time when the overall economy grew a paltry 5%.

    Meanwhile, employment at these agencies has climbed 13% since Obama took office to more than 281,000, while private-sector jobs shrank by 5.6%.

    Michael Mandel, chief economic strategist at the Progressive Policy Institute, found that between March 2010 and March 2011 federal regulatory jobs climbed faster than either private jobs or overall government jobs.

    Read more at: http://news.investors.com/article/581555/201108151901/regulation-business-jobs-booming-under-obama-.htm?p=full

  42. Wilson

    Snuss,
    Don’t forget that the friendly IRS is hiring like crazy to police that “penalty” shhh ( tax) for healthcare.

  43. JRM_CommonSense

    Anyone who thinks the IRS still does “policing” of tax returns using people needs to get dragged kicking and screaming into the present day world. God what a moronic comment.

  44. If you are an able bodied adult, you are limited as to how long you can be on welfare. Anyone remember the reform bill under Bill Clinton? What happened to that?

    I am done with this conversation – SNuss – have you heard? Staffing of government agencies is at the lowest point in MANY years.

    • Ted Biondo

      Good Lulu – best news I’ve heard today – hopefully they got a real job!

  45. Gonzo Leatherneck

    @Terry and Billy Fleming for equating needy citizens w/park animals: The USDA really should get out of the business of handouts to needy citizens and devote itself solely to its real job: handouts to corporations, aka “farm subsidies.” Because that creates jobs! For Mexicans. And makes sure executives, lobbyists, and lawyers can stay rich enough to keep buying the politicians and elections who’ll ensure they’ll continue to get those handouts.
    Real question is: when will the American “conservative” wake up to realize that each time he fills up his pristine F150 with the “I Support The Troops” sticker on the back for his daily 40-mile commute, he’s consuming more taxpayer handouts than the guy in the grocery line? American gas is cheap at the pump because taxpayers paid TRILLIONS for it through the military-industrial complex that buys the politicians to drive us in to the wars needed to keep the oil pipeline open. He supports the troops alright. He also has their blood on his hands. If he really wants to honor them, maybe driving a Prius would do more than the sticker.

  46. SNuss

    Lulu and JRM, I am sorry if the facts, and your opinions, bear no resemblance to each other.

    DNC chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is the “easiest, most basic way” to enforce President Obama’s health care law. However, Wasserman Schultz insists the fee associated with the law is not a “tax” but a penalty.

    Wasserman Schultz says the IRS, which is responsible for collecting taxes, should be used because “it’s simply a matter of ease in administration.”

    “The way we usually think of taxation, Wolf, is that taxation as the IRS administers is collected on broad swaths and large categories of individuals. This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs,” Wasserman Schultz said on the Monday evening broadcast of CNN’s “The Situation Room.”

    And:

    In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of government approved health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes.

    Unfortunately, according to the Center for American Progress, the structure of the IRS’ use of private agencies to collect “debts” encourages abuse. Under the current program, collectors are awarded as much as 25 cents of every dollar they collect, in addition to a $100 bonus for every account they close.

    The Internal Revenue Service strategy of paying private debt collectors a 25 percent commission to collect unpaid tax debt originally met with bipartisan resistance from Congress. Members of Congress claimed that the proposal jeopardized the rights and privacy of American taxpayers.

    Several organizations voiced their objections to the IRS proposal and have expressed their strong support for the consumer protection legislation Rep. Chris Van Hollen introduced: Citizens for Tax Justice, Consumer Federation of America, Consumers Union, National Consumer Law Center, National Consumers League.

    According to political consultant Mike Baker. the very nature of the program provides incentives for collectors to push the limits of legality to extract a little more revenue from their targets. As part of the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, Congress, fearing overly aggressive collection practices, explicitly prohibited the IRS from compensating its own collectors based on the amount of money they collect.

    Read the rest at: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/47827

  47. Carol Foster

    SNuss
    Your dependence upon Fox and the odd ball ramblings of online printed materials is appauling short-sighted in your efforts to attempt to convince anyone of your position.

    May I remind you this President invited the Tea Party/Conservatives to the table for cuts in all programs, plus what they felt were restrictive business operating laws, and you failed to appear? Love it when you hand out the bull about all the new retrictions and fail to add they were scheduled years ago to come on line now and your team had the ability to stop them and didn’t make a move to do it.
    Were you too inept or too lazy or was it just inconveneint in a an election year?
    When you need to run comment after comment in a row jumping from one topic to another, it becomes rambling to no purpose. How we handle those truly disabled is an important topic. Not a place for politics as usual which is all you’ve offered here.

  48. wilson

    July 9, 2012 at 6:30 am

    JRM, please refer to a dictionary before commenting. Anyone who thinks I used police anything other than “a : to supervise the operation, execution, or administration of to prevent or detect and prosecute violations of rules and regulations ”
    Must be some kind of (name called) person with ZERO common sense.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police

  49. JRM_CommonSense

    @wilson:

    I knew exactly how you used “police”. Please do some research on how the IRS audits tax returns before you make assumptions or try to throw an insult around.

    Anyone who thinks that IRS auditing (policing in the digital world) is still done by people and therefore a ton of people have to be hired to audit the Obamacare tax penalty must be a (no name called) person with ZERO undertstanding of the roll computers play in today’s processes.

    One to five lines of code or a couple of new objects added to the computer tax audit apps will accomplish 100% 0f the initial audits and raise the flags. Adding the code or objects to the tax preparation packages like Turbotax will take less time than it will take to test the code. That testing should add a couple of good paying jobs in the private sector.

  50. snuss

    Carol sez: “SNuss
    Your dependence upon Fox and the odd ball ramblings of online printed materials is appauling short-sighted in your efforts to attempt to convince anyone of your position”.

    Carol, can you prove that CBS news, or any of my other sources are ” odd ball ramblings”? The truth is the truth, no matter the source.

    Fortunately for you on the Left, truth isn’t an issue in YOUR ” odd ball ramblings”. It is so much easier to make things up as you go along.

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