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Potential victims should have the right to defend themselves

Even though Colorado and Virginia are concealed-carry states, the Aurora Theater, shopping malls, Virginia Tech and other public venues have strict “gun-free” policies that, with today’s violence, make those under their “umbrella of protection,” virtual shooting ducks.

Other potential tragedies have been avoided or contained, when potential victims defended themselves and others from the planned carnage by those who knew law-abiding citizens would be vunerable in these “gun free” shooting galleries.

Check out the following Investors Business Daily’s editorial, which also describes those who are trying to use this tragedy to advance gun control in the U.S. and even on the international scale through the UN.

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  1. Ted, don’t you know that allowing concealed-carry will turn the USA into the Wild West?
    There will be shootings and murders almost daily, if law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry those evil weapons.

    Oh, wait, we ALREADY HAVE shootings and murders quite frequently, and NONE of them are by LEGAL gun owners. All these “gun-free zones’ create are places where armed criminals can feel secure to commit their crimes. But, don’t take MY word for it, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

    • Ted Biondo

      snuss – I always refer to Chicago. No one has a longer history of gun control pushed by the Daley family for years. How many murders using guns did they have one weekend recently? But remember you can’t legally even carry a gun in Chicago out on to your own porch.

  2. oldtypesetter

    Ted, judging by the way this evil person was dressed, would a handgun have been able to stop him? I’m not being facetious, I really want to know. He seems different than other shooters that have committed suicide by police.

    • Ted Biondo

      oldtypesetter – He didn’t seem to want to be a suicide by police. He even had his throat covered. His head and limbs seemed to be the only areas opened. Someone might have had a chance after the assault rifle jammed. He also sent a folder to a psychiatrist explaining with stick people what he intended to do but it sat in an inbox for days – maybe he wanted someone to stop him – they didn’t and he went ahead with the plan.

  3. What we need to look at and act upon is preventing weapons (of any sort) from getting into the hands of a pyschopath or criminal. When you can order a hundred round magazine off the internet with a credit card then something is terribly wrong.

  4. @ Steverino:

    In the case of the Virginia Tech shooter, had his psychiatrist notified the Federal database of his patient’s dangerous mental condition (as he was REQUIRED to do, by law), he couldn’t have bought his guns and ammo LEGALLY.
    And Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter, had made several death threats, which the Sheriff’s Department failed to arrest him for, or given him a psychological exam. Either of these would have gone on his record, preventing his LEGAL gun purchases.

    There are more than enough gun laws, IF they were properly enforced. Adding new laws will only serve to oppress the law-abiding citizen.

  5. Carol Foster

    so if say a half a dozen movie goers had been armed, when the gun jammed, the nut in Colorado could have been shot and lives saved?
    What a far fetched notion for anyone to hold.
    How foolish an excuse to once again refuse to talk about better gun control laws as usual.
    The theater chain is correct in making their business a gun free zone. Having six others there that evening carrying their own legal weapons would most likely have caused many of those six shot by the others as they would have had no idea if any of them with weapons were aids to the shooter.
    survival in those situations is being smart and luck. Not your own weapon. As usual, Ted, you are incorrect with the article as being something of value. Sick persons don’t care if you have a gun or might have a gun. When do you get using them as examples for right to carry is ignoring how poorly a system we have in helping those in need and the laws to back it up.

  6. Criminals with guns tend to commit crimes where they know someone won’t have a gun. (DUH!). Colorado has C/C but guns weren’t allowed in the theatre. When they make their own rules, then they have to live (or die) by it. If this guy would have had std. 10 round magazines (that never jam) , a lot more people would have died, so laws about mag. capacity are just silly, put forward by people that know nothing about guns. I would like to hear what kind of law would have prevented this, not silly anti-gun talk.

  7. For some reason, the Liberal Left doesn’t care to mention ANOTHER shooting in Aurora, Colorado, which ended quite differently:

    On April 22 of this year a convicted felon, just out of jail, went to an Aurora, Colorado, church and shot and killed a member of the congregation before being killed himself by a congregant carrying a gun.

    No doubt the president was unaware of the other, less-publicized lethal shooting that took place earlier in the year in Aurora, when there was only one victim, thanks to the quick thinking and action of a responsibly armed individual. Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the [church member, an off-duty police officer] had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”

    Read the rest at: http://americanvisionnews.com/4179/the-original-aurora-shooting-stopped-by-a-concealed-carry-hero

    Also see: http://myweaponspermit.com/true-self-defense-concealed-carry-shooting-reports/

  8. Ted,YOU ARE RIGHT! Thank you for talking about the right to defend. Great posting!! Keep’em coming!

  9. A new, tough gun law that should be on the books is “Anyone in possesion of an illegal gun, or anyone that uses an assualt rifle in the act of a crime should be executed with it the next day”. The lawful gun owner is not affected, and the criminal gets the maximum penalty. OK, liberals, you want tough gun laws with teeth, there you go. Let’s hear the tears about how “inhumane” that law would be. Let’s just keep counting the dead and making new laws that only affect legal gun owners. When is there going to be a zero tolerance on the criminals!

  10. This may prove informative to those who are not koolade-drinkers:

    Concealed weapons save lives
    The evidence is clear: Massacres are stopped by legally armed citizens

    Friday’s horrible shooting in Colorado occurred in yet another place where guns are banned. And that’s consistent with a trend: With a single exception, every multiple-victim public shooting in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry their own firearms.

    The Cinemark movie theater in Aurora, like others run by the chain around the country, displayed warning signs that it was illegal to carry guns into the theater.

    This applied to all non-law enforcement personnel, including individuals with concealed handgun permits. In other words, despite more than 4% of the adult population of Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a gunman intent on killing a lot of people could be confident that law-abiding citizens there would be sitting ducks.

    If one of the hundreds of people at the theater had a concealed handgun, possibly the attack would have ended like the shooting at the mega New Life Church in Colorado Springs in December 2007.
    In that assault, the church’s minister had given Jeanne Assam permission to carry her concealed handgun. The gunman killed two people in the parking lot — but when he entered the church, Assam fired 10 shots, severely wounding him. At that point, the gunman committed suicide.

    ————————————————————————————————————-

    (Interesting statistic) Nor have I found a single example on record of a multiple-victim public shooting in which a permit holder accidentally shot a bystander.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/concealed-weapons-save-lives-article-1.1121161#ixzz21jteSReo

  11. The NRA has no place for common sense. Their goal is to sell guns and more guns to those who want guns and more guns and until that cycle is disrupted with responsible and reasonable legislation the US will continue to lead the industrialized world in gun violence. Columbine, VTech, NIU, Aurora just what have we learned? Apparently nothing when it comes to keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

    • Ted Biondo

      However, Steverino – trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands; we can’t take them out of the law-abiding hands – how do you do that?

  12. About the same number of innocent people are killed about every 10 days in Chicago and that doesn’t get much headline. Only when the “crazy, white guy” does it do we see the media and anti-gun people go nuts. Also, more people are killed texting while driving than by “assault” rifles.

  13. monkey

    Juice is right. We tend to focus on these mass killings ’cause they are an anomaly and they have drama and human stories. Far more than 12 people were killed that day across the country by guns, and other incidents, but we’re not talking about them.

    Further, the Aurora shooter had body armor on from head to toe so the fact that guns were banned in the theater is somewhat irrelevant. A few people could have pulled out handguns and it most likely would have slowed but not stopped him.

    We need to get the guns out of criminals’ hands, not regular citizens. We need to keep these killings in perspective and we need to enforce the laws we already have. And, we need to ignore the foaming-at-the-mouth nutjobs at the NRA who will use this madness to convince people to run right out and buy more guns and ammo ’cause “Obama’s gonna come after the guns.” Clearly, he’s not, never has expressed interest in gun issues, and probably never will, even if he’s re-elected.

    There are probably more people out there like me than is talked about: gun-owning Democrats who are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and concealed carry, while at the same time loathing the NRA and questioning whether we really need AK-47s so easily accessible. Hard for some of the nuts to process that combination but there are a lot of us around.

  14. We have to work on it Ted but given the divide we have in the legislator and the NRA’s strong lobby I doubt we’ll see any solution.

  15. Monkey sez: ” “Obama’s gonna come after the guns.” Clearly, he’s not, never has expressed interest in gun issues, and probably never will, even if he’s re-elected.”

    Oh, really? Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

    UN Small Arms Treaty: Barack Obama’s Backdoor Gun Control May Pass

    While it is difficult to sift through the various UN treaties, the ‘small arms treaty’ is a part of a much larger initiative to curtail individual gun rights. In essence, the ‘small arms treaty’, the ‘Law of the Sea’ treaty, and the ‘Arms Trade Treaty’ can be bundled into one giant effort to remove US sovereignty, giving the UN control over the liberties of US citizens, nullifying protections Americans have enjoyed since the birth of the US.

    Read the rest at: http://www.ijreview.com/2012/07/10064-un-small-arms-treaty-barack-obamas-backdoor-gun-control-may-pass/

  16. monkey

    Snuss: I’ve read about this before and it’s never gonna happen. The NRA, sadly I’m somehow on their mailing list, uses this UN paranoia to help manufacturers sell more guns and ammo. Even if he’s re-elected, Obama has no political reason to go after guns; it’s a non-starter with most people and only pops up around these mass-killing incidents. He’s got bigger fish to fry.

  17. Liberals would never ban anything they can make money on, no matter how deadly. Just look at the cigarette tax. The more people that smoke, the richer Springfield gets. Now that’s a government that cares for its people. If Obama gets re-elected look for a national gun registration with a “fee” of course (like Emanuel is talking about) and a bullet tax. With a Republican H of R, it wouldn’t happen though.

  18. FYI, a treaty has the same legal authority as a Constitutional amendment, so if Obama & Co. slip something like this under our noses, it will require a Constitutional amendment to get rid of it.
    Plus, the UN will be be able to mandate U.S. laws, not just on guns, but anything else that a treaty contains. Check out the LOST (Law Of The Sea) treaty, for example.

    One of the most vocal and effective spokesmen against LOST has been Heritage Foundation expert Steven Groves. He testified in June before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Senator Kerry.

    Groves has researched extensively and successfully argued that:

    The U.S. doesn’t need to sign on to LOST to develop its oil and gas resources in the undersea extended continental shelf.
    Signing on to LOST would force the U.S. to hand over royalties from oil and gas development in the extended continental shelf to developing countries and even state sponsors of terrorism.
    The U.S. doesn’t need LOST to guarantee any of its maritime rights or freedoms.
    LOST would expose the U.S. to international environmental lawsuits that would harm its environmental, economic, and military interests—including suits based on alleged U.S. contributions to global climate change.
    LOST creates a massive international bureaucracy, which the U.S. would be forced to fund.
    Read the rest at: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/17/morning-bell-harmful-u-n-sea-treaty-stalls-in-senate/

    Of course, you Leftists might support handing U.S. sovereignty over to the UN, as Obama & Co. seem determined to do..

  19. rockfordteaparty

    We’ll be down at Rockford City Market tonight Friday the 27th from 5pm-8pm collecting signatures for Concealed Carry in Winnebago County. Hope you can stop by and sign this important petition at the Corner of Market and E. State Street just before the State Street Bridge.

  20. I wish that I had seen this sooner, I would definitely have stopped by to add my signature.
    When and where are you doing this next?

  21. rockfordteaparty

    We will be at the Rockford Speedway next Saturday. We’ll be at the Pine Tree Pistol Club show at Forest Hills Lodge on this Sunday.

    • Ted Biondo

      I dropped by tonight and signed the petition – good Luck with the effort.

  22. truth hurts

    I have some question to those who are against people defending themselves and concealed carry.

    Where in the constitution, federal, or state law does it give the right for someone to rob, rape, break into your home, sell drugs, and commit murder?

    Further where does it say in the constitution, federal, or state law that said person committing crimes can do so in safety to where they are protected from harm?

    Finally where does it say ONLY THE POLICE can stop a criminal and/or act to protect yourself?

    In simple terms if you commit a crime why is it you get more rights than I who obeys the law?

  23. FYI, the police are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to protect you.

    See: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

  24. I stopped by the Bullet Stop, and signed the petition. Now I see that Gov. Jello wants to ban “assault weapons”. What an idiot!

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