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Left wingnuts – children should not belong to their parents

Just when you think the left has gone about as far as they can go, an MSNBC host states that America needs to change its attitude towards their children, who really shouldn’t belong to their parents alone, but to the “state, the collective.”

MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry’s quote, “We haven’t had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.”

So many children in our society are being raised in non-nuclear, single-parent or no parent families that many need help raising their children through programs paid for by the rest of us. They do not wish to feel guilty about it, so the progressive’s solution is to put us all in the same village.

Take a look at the video on the link. This Karl Marx view in a free society is frightening. One need look no farther than China dictating how many children parents may have under state control and the drastic measures that are taken against those who do not follow the state’s mandate.

Excerpt:

 “The notion that children belong to a state government rather than their own flesh and blood is the most disturbing statement made in recent political times. Melissa Harris-Perry is dead wrong.

It’s unfathomable that any true American could make such a pretentious and naively ill statement,” media communications expert, and parent, Angie Olszewski told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column. “The government can’t properly run their own budgets schools and public systems. Why would anybody think they could rear children?”

Those on the left are on a mission, and that mission basically will result in the end of America as we know it.  Anything…. and I do mean ANYTHING that people turn to for support, stability, tradition, comfort, and so on is under attack.

It doesn’t matter if it’s God or marriage or families with a mother and a father or raising children, the only thing far-left liberals want is for you to rely on government.

My children are mine, not the state’s, not the community, not the schools. I am responsible and accountable for their actions, not the government.

My hope is that is that there are obviously wingnuts on both sides of the political spectrum and Melissa Harris-Perry is one of them.

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  1. Adam Faber

    Ted, I did watch the video and I think that you have misconstrued the point. Ms. Harris-Perry is making a case for investing in education, not taking your children away from you. Indeed, her very first line states that “we have never invested as much in public education as we should have”. Her point is contained solely to public education and it’s an incredible stretch to compare it to how many children parents can lawfully have.

    You are correct that your children are yours and you are responsible for them, but businesses need a capable workforce. When companies cannot hire qualified employees, they will not knock on the doors of bad parents and yell at them for raising children incapable of using a tape measure or pushing a button; they will turn to the local school systems and ask them to perform better. As someone who has served on the Rockford school board and board of the local community college, I would have expected you to have a higher appreciation for the community’s interest in educating younger generations.

  2. Adam sez: “As someone who has served on the Rockford school board and board of the local community college, I would have expected you to have a higher appreciation for the community’s interest in educating younger generations.”

    Do you mean teaching them things like this?

    School: Americans Don’t Have Right to Bear Arms

    The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

    “I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

    Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School. On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’

    “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

    The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.

    “This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”

    According to the document, the Second Amendment “only provides the right of a state to keep an armed National Guard.”

    Boibeaux said he discovered the worksheet as he was going over his son’s homework assignments.

    “I’m more than a little upset about this,” he told Fox News. “It’s not up to the teacher to determine what the Constitution means.”

    Mat Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel, called the lesson propaganda – that is “absolutely false.”

    “In fact, the US Supreme Court has affirmed that the Second Amendment ensures the individual the right to bear arms,” Staver told Fox News. “The progressive interpretation of the Second Amendment is that it doesn’t give you the right to bear arms – that it’s a corporate right of the government – but that has been rejected by the Courts.”

    Read the rest at:

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html

  3. Adam Faber

    Nice job, Snuss, at trying to change the subject. You did that after I pointed out that you were wrong about DOMA, too. Changing the subject is easier than admitting you’re wrong or discussing the merits, huh? Not productive, just easier.

  4. Mith Harrith is a college teeether? OMG.

    People, where can we send our kids for an education these days. And if she is a teacher, what can your kids actually learn? everyone gets an A+ anyway….and a trophy

  5. Ted’s cherry-picking of comments is predictable and rather sad. In the real the world, it does indeed take a village to raise a child. We all have a responsibility to make sure that children, whether ours or those related to us or our friends’, grow up with sound parenting, strong coaches, effective mentors and excellent teachers. My son plays a club sport and his coach is a fabulous role model. He plays a role in my son’s life, as do I and his teachers, his pastor, etc. I keep hoping that Ted and his mind-numbing anger at anything and everything will eventually fade away but his column appears with annoying regularity. I often wonder how someone can be so angry, ALL THE TIME.

  6. You might have something here Ted why just the other day I saw a bunch of children marching to school carrying their little red books and singing praises to their dear leader Kim Obama.

  7. Gee, Adam, I just wanted to show more of the Left’s propaganda, and how they are trying to indoctrinate children. Since the children “belong to the State”, in the Liberal Left’s opinion, isn’t what they are being (mis-) taught by other Leftists relevant to the discussion?

  8. Sorry snuss but our dear leader has forbidden us from looking at cut and paste inside the bubble.

  9. Adam Faber

    “Gee, Adam, I just wanted to show more of the Left’s propaganda, and how they are trying to indoctrinate children.”

    No Snuss, you are just trying to change the subject to deflect attention away from the fact that I pointed out that Ted and his partisan source completely misconstrued the point of this video to stir up controversy. Your M.O. is to say something ridiculous, e.g. that Obama is not enforcing DOMA, then, when called out on that falsehood, attempt to change the subject to something that is, at best, very loosely related. I bet soon you’ll declare that I have some bowel ailment and misspell the Latin name for it. To those of us not stuck in your ideology, it’s immature, silly and entirely unproductive.

    • Ted Biondo

      Sorry Adam, The MSNBC host meant exactly what she said, the the idea of children belonging to their parents must be changed to the community. I decide if my children take sex education, I decide if I want to question government’s view of what my kids have to do.

      This woman’s view was “your children will be assimilated into the collective, resistance is futile!” If you believe otherwise you can’t read or hear the truth.

      If the kids get into trouble because of what they are being taught, or the latest political fad, I am the one who is responsible and have to deal with the problem not the government or any of its branches. So they do not assume the parent’s responsibility for their OWN kids. My kids are not yours, the community’s or anyone else’s – their mine, get it!

  10. Adam Faber

    Ted, of course she meant what she said. And what she said regarded investment in public education and the community’s interest in educating children well. She said nothing about taking your children away from you, responsibility of your children or how many children you are allowed to have — that is all an invention on your part. She said nothing about that.

    “I am the one who is responsible and have to deal with the problem not the government or any of its branches.”

    You could not be more wrong. Again, businesses need a capable workforce. When companies cannot hire qualified employees, they will not knock on the doors of bad parents and yell at them for raising children who are unqualified to work; they will turn to the local school systems and ask them to perform better or relocate to an area with better qualified workers. If your children are not educated and cannot work, they may turn to a life of crime which then involves law enforcement and the judiciary — that’s two branches of government right there, Ted.

    Ted, are you really suggesting that society has no interest in education and that we should abolish public schools?

  11. Either you are choosing to purposedly miscontrue what was said or you are an idiot.

    Which is it Ted?

  12. It seems perfectly clear to all (except the kool-aid drinkers) that Ms. Harris-Perry said exactly what she meant: Children belong to the State, not their parents. Sort of like your earnings really aren’t yours, but the State allows you to keep some of it.

    On a related note, the USDA may have accidentally defined when life begins. Oops! See:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O973c5PUBrU

  13. Adam Faber

    Except she never said any of that, Snuss. It’s only “perfectly clear” to those of you with an agenda and a consistent disregard for factual accuracy. Your “on a related note” will not distract me from that fact.

  14. Convenient that Ted fails to respond to my comments as well. He is consisent in cherry-picking his “facts” and his responses. Again, those of us out in the real world know that many people are responsible for the “raising” of children. Of course, parents bear the ultimately responsiblity for their development and we must make the final decisions. But, for good or bad, others influence the growth of our children.

    To believe that’s not the case is either ignorant, naive or blatantly stupid or, perhaps, all of the above. Ted and his boomer friends are stuck with 1950s viewpoints in a 2000s world.

  15. Adam Faber

    Of course, Snuss. You cannot refute my assertion that you and Ted are attempting to completely misconstrue the point of this so you just keep trying to distract people with more “on a related note” nonsense. It is hard to make an argument when the facts don’t support your preferred position, I know. That’s why I don’t do that.

    I’m not even clicking on your link.

  16. Ahh. . . link bombing. Convenient tactic when you don’t have an original thought. Just use someone else’s. Typical strategy from Snuss.

  17. My, the kool-aid is flowing freely.

    From the Left-Wingnuts’ favorite reading material, The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx:

    10.”Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.” This sounds pretty good, and indeed, all civilized nations have instituted public schools and made child labour illegal. But if you read his full text, you will see that he is not merely advocating the creation of public schools. He wants children to be taken away from their parents and educated in state boarding schools! And he is not trying to abolish child labour entirely, he just wants to abolish child labour in its present form. In its place, he suggests that schools and industrial factories be merged into one, so that children work and go to school at the same time. How charming.

    Read more at: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html

  18. Adam Faber

    Irrelevant. Ted cited a partisan outlet and embellished with his own ideas about one-child legislation. Neither of you are even attempting to defend your position about this video because you cannot. Ted only insisted that he was right — even though he wasn’t — and you, Snuss, have just tried every which way to change the subject. None of that alters the fact that Ted and gopusa.com dishonestly misconstrued the point of this video.

    • Ted Biondo

      No, I believe that you, Adam, have misconstrued the point of this video. So now what? Come back in 20 years and lets see what actually happened and who controls the children’s lives.

  19. Adam Faber

    What one “believes” does not mean it’s fact. Do you care to explain how I have misconstrued the point of the video? It was clearly advocating for public education and yet you, somehow, think it’s advocating to take your children away from you or limit how many children people can have. That is dishonest on its face, but your defense of “let’s see in twenty years” does not in any way support your position. Just because you read propaganda on some partisan website does not mean it’s accurate; you keep showing that you only employ unthinking knee-jerk emotion and apply no thought of your own.

  20. Change the subject? Leftist control of our children IS the subject, whether it is by physically taking them from their parents, or force-feeding them Leftist propaganda that contradicts normal family values.

    Here is another example: http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/04/wisconsin-school-uses-crossword-puzzles-to-indoctrinate-students-against-conservatives/

  21. Ted, I don’t think your attempt to twist what was said makes you an idiot, just to be clear.

    I think you know very well what the intent was.

    As far as snuss, why do you constantly try to change the subject? Posting a link to an article about conception and the beginning of life? Also, your admission that you post things purposely to annoy lefties makes you an internet troll. Since you link links, here is one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

  22. Adam Faber

    “Leftist control of our children IS the subject, whether it is by physically taking them from their parents, or force-feeding them Leftist propaganda that contradicts normal family values.”

    OK, Snuss, then cite where in this video the speaker said that. You cannot, because she did not say anything about that, did she? And that is my point. You and Ted are so desperate to be angry that you believe this vitriol you find online or make stuff up on your own. It’s silly and immature.

  23. JRM_CommonSense

    You should know Adam that their next response is that she didn’t have to say it. We all know that these people have socialist plans no matter what they say. Therefore it is fair game to put any woreds in their mouth that they want to. It happens in almost every post on this site.

    Yet if you call attention to it or continually raise the issue, the charter members of the “Looking at the World from the Inside of a Toilet Bowl” crew starts calling you nasty names and just repeat what they said as proof that they are correct. I guess that is their version of the liberal leftist Kool-aid they like to rant about and/or the liberal leftist reading comprehension problem that they like to rant about.

    And on a related note, they do it all the time!

  24. Adam Faber

    Yes, you’re right JRM. Anything they say must be true and anything they don’t like must be unconstitutional. Epistemic closure instead of reason and logic.

  25. Investing in education? Just how much money needs to be invested?

    Is there a better high school in Rockford than Boylan?

    If parents of public high school children in Rockford were given $10K to spend on their tuition, how many would keep their kids in Rockford public schools?

    How many non-public high schools are their in Rockford now? Think about it, how many parents are turning down a free product and shelling out nearly $10K so their children receive a decent high school education.

    All the PMSNBC talking head wants to do is grow gov’t so her teacher union buddies get rich.

    • Ted Biondo

      Terry, students in nonpublic schools and home schools in Rockford is approximately 25% of the total students in the area – it used to be about double the national average during the court order. It’s coming back slightly toward the public schools now.

  26. I am all for the socialists investing more on our\their children’s education. I mean look at the return of investment.
    “New York spent more on its public school students than any other state — an average of $18,126 — during 2009, according to new data released by the U.S. Census Bureau.”

    Of the 50 largest school systems, New York City School District spent the most per student in 2010 at $19,597.

    According to the New York Post, which reported the same story earlier on Thursday, “79.3 percent of city public-school grads who went to CUNY’s six two-year colleges arrived without having mastered the basics” of reading, writing, and math,
    Grooming future progressive voters!

  27. Look up your local Illinois school district and see what each teacher gets paid. I’ll mention that these numbers include about 10% for pension benefits.

    http://www.familytaxpayers.org/ftf/ftf_salaries.php

  28. More Leftist propaganda in the schools:

    Florida fourth graders allegedly told to write down desire to give up constitutional rights

    A father in Duval County, Florida has alleged that his son’s fourth-grade teacher instructed students to express — in crayon — their desire to trade rights guaranteed in the Constitution for a feeling of added security.

    The concerned father, Aaron Harvey, says his son and other kids in his son’s class had to scribble: “I am willing to give up some of my constitution rights in order to be safer or more secure.”

    The incident happened at some point during a civics lesson at Cedar Hills Elementary School in Jacksonville, Florida, reports First Coast News.

    A local attorney had spoken to the class prior to the assignment, explains local radio station WOKV. The purported goal of the overall lesson was to “create an awareness” of constitutional rights and help the fourth graders “determine their opinions on which rights they value most and least.”

    “I don’t believe that any American or American child should be asked to write this,” Harvey told First Coast News.

    Amy Harvey, the boy’s mother, concurs. She was the one who found the tri-color treatise languishing in her son’s backpack (where it had apparently been sitting for several weeks).

    “If I don’t check his backpack, I won’t find things like this,” she told First Coast.

    The fuming father noted that his 10-year-old son can’t possibly want to give up the rights he enjoys under the Constitution because he doesn’t fully understand the rights he enjoys in the first place.

    “I served in the military. I served to protect my family, my country, and that Constitution and everyone’s freedom,” Harvey added, according to WOKV.

    Read more at: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/14/florida-fourth-graders-allegedly-told-to-write-down-desire-to-give-up-constitutional-rights/

  29. A few quotes on the subject:

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    — Benjamin Franklin

    “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
    — Vladimir Lenin

    “When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.’”
    — Adolf Hitler

  30. Adam Faber

    While those may be valid points, Snuss, none of that excuses Ted from posting a piece that was misleading and factually inaccurate.

  31. Adam Faber

    Ted, since you assert that “[I] couldn’t punch [my] way out of a paper bag let alone holes in [your] arguments”, this piece serves as an excellent example of how you completely misconstrue the words of others to try to make a point. You got caught and never took responsibility for your underhanded actions. As an adult, this is not behavior to be proud of.

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