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	<description>Whether you ride, drive or fly, transportation issues affect everyone. Especially when fuel prices are so high. Join Thomas V. Bona as he examines the things that make the world move.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat,  7 Nov 2009 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Will Southwest Airlines at Milwaukee hurt Rockford? by Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/02/will-southwest-airlines-at-milwaukee-hurt-rockford/#comment-1181</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southwest was going after the Burbites that wouldn't make the trip down the Tri-State, or even think of going down to Midway.

Will this affect RFD?  I would suspect we will see a lower percentage of McHenry,Kane and Lake county residents coming out to RFD.

But MSN will be the most affected.  They have consistently higher fares than MKE, and only spoke to hub service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southwest was going after the Burbites that wouldn&#8217;t make the trip down the Tri-State, or even think of going down to Midway.</p>
<p>Will this affect RFD?  I would suspect we will see a lower percentage of McHenry,Kane and Lake county residents coming out to RFD.</p>
<p>But MSN will be the most affected.  They have consistently higher fares than MKE, and only spoke to hub service.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by Thomas V. Bona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1180</link>
		<author>Thomas V. Bona</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1180</guid>
		<description>Max,

Unless you're going out and scientifically surveying stations, you have access to the same data I do.

Some points of note:

1. The numbers I cite are for metro area averages - they take into account Belvidere and other cheaper parts of the area. So Rockford city prices will be higher. Because these prices are captured daily from a large sample of stations at the same time, they're the most reliable snapshot we have. Can parts of the Milwaukee area be cheaper or the same as parts of the Rockford area? Sure, but on average the Rockford area is cheaper right now.

2. Champaign and Decatur are the two metro areas cheaper than ours, according to AAA. I didn't say we were the lowest, but that we were lower than most of the state's metro areas. Mattoon is possibly in the Champaign metro area. And while the cities of Springfield and Peoria may have comparable prices to the city of Rockford, on average their metro areas are (slightly) higher.

Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make me a shill. Who am I shilling for, anyway? High fuel prices hurt more local businesses than they help ... especially as the region tries to be a transportation hub,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re going out and scientifically surveying stations, you have access to the same data I do.</p>
<p>Some points of note:</p>
<p>1. The numbers I cite are for metro area averages - they take into account Belvidere and other cheaper parts of the area. So Rockford city prices will be higher. Because these prices are captured daily from a large sample of stations at the same time, they&#8217;re the most reliable snapshot we have. Can parts of the Milwaukee area be cheaper or the same as parts of the Rockford area? Sure, but on average the Rockford area is cheaper right now.</p>
<p>2. Champaign and Decatur are the two metro areas cheaper than ours, according to AAA. I didn&#8217;t say we were the lowest, but that we were lower than most of the state&#8217;s metro areas. Mattoon is possibly in the Champaign metro area. And while the cities of Springfield and Peoria may have comparable prices to the city of Rockford, on average their metro areas are (slightly) higher.</p>
<p>Just because you don&#8217;t like the facts doesn&#8217;t make me a shill. Who am I shilling for, anyway? High fuel prices hurt more local businesses than they help &#8230; especially as the region tries to be a transportation hub,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by Thomas V. Bona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1179</link>
		<author>Thomas V. Bona</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1179</guid>
		<description>Jon,

You'll have that some times ... price differences between regions aren't simply a function of taxes. It depends on how much gasoline is going for at the different terminals that serve a region ... if Rockford's terminals have a perceived shortage, for example, prices may be higher. More often than not, Rockford is well below Cook County, though.

Sorry I can't give you an exact formula, but it's not an exact science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have that some times &#8230; price differences between regions aren&#8217;t simply a function of taxes. It depends on how much gasoline is going for at the different terminals that serve a region &#8230; if Rockford&#8217;s terminals have a perceived shortage, for example, prices may be higher. More often than not, Rockford is well below Cook County, though.</p>
<p>Sorry I can&#8217;t give you an exact formula, but it&#8217;s not an exact science.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by max berry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1178</link>
		<author>max berry</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1178</guid>
		<description>Sorry,  but you are mistaken.  I go to milwaukee approx. once a week and their prices are the same or lower than Rockford's.  I rarely buy gas in town anymore as I can get it cheaper both north and south of here.
Champaign is 2.57 today,  Mattoon is 2.53, Decatur 2.56,  Peoria and Springfield are about the same, only 2-4 cents cheaper.  chicago is always higher because they have about 11 cents more in tax added to the price.

A little research instead of just reporting industry sources or news handouts would improve the accuracy of the register star quite a bit.
then we could have a newspaper instead of a business shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,  but you are mistaken.  I go to milwaukee approx. once a week and their prices are the same or lower than Rockford&#8217;s.  I rarely buy gas in town anymore as I can get it cheaper both north and south of here.<br />
Champaign is 2.57 today,  Mattoon is 2.53, Decatur 2.56,  Peoria and Springfield are about the same, only 2-4 cents cheaper.  chicago is always higher because they have about 11 cents more in tax added to the price.</p>
<p>A little research instead of just reporting industry sources or news handouts would improve the accuracy of the register star quite a bit.<br />
then we could have a newspaper instead of a business shill.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1177</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1177</guid>
		<description>What I found to be strange is that when the prices went up two weekends ago, our gas was just as expensive as the gas I saw when driving in Chicago and parts of Indiana-it was not until I got out of the Chicago metro area (in Indiana) when prices finally fell to be about fifteen cents cheaper per gallon, which then held their level through much of the state of Indiana. 

I always thought we had lower sales taxes, etc. than Chicago &#38; Cook County do  on gasoline-why did the prices match?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I found to be strange is that when the prices went up two weekends ago, our gas was just as expensive as the gas I saw when driving in Chicago and parts of Indiana-it was not until I got out of the Chicago metro area (in Indiana) when prices finally fell to be about fifteen cents cheaper per gallon, which then held their level through much of the state of Indiana. </p>
<p>I always thought we had lower sales taxes, etc. than Chicago &amp; Cook County do  on gasoline-why did the prices match?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Southwest Airlines at Milwaukee hurt Rockford? by Sally Hanks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/02/will-southwest-airlines-at-milwaukee-hurt-rockford/#comment-1175</link>
		<author>Sally Hanks</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/02/will-southwest-airlines-at-milwaukee-hurt-rockford/#comment-1175</guid>
		<description>MSN is going to feel the pain....no doubt about it. Wait for the 2010 enplanement numbers to come out in late 2011....she'll see.  

We already know that RFD won't be affected, because it hasn't been affected by Air Tran's buildup at MKE. In fact, I don't think that very many Southwest passengers from the Rockford area are going to be diverted away from MDW to MKE.

There is a specific demographic that flies Allegiant, and they don't want to go to MKE anymore than they want to go to ORD/MDW, even though we all know that MKE is substantially easier. Earl and Esther from Paw Paw fly out of RFD for a reason.

If anything, RFD will benefit from this. No other low fare carrier in their right mind would consider serving MKE at this point. MKE is now Midway North, and nobody has the guts to go against Southwest and Air Tran at MDW. In fact, if Spirit wants to sustain their low cost model, or grow their Chicago market, for that matter, they won't even be serving O'hare in five years.....nor will they go up against anybody at Midway.

Congratulations to MKE. They have a world class facility that has just transformed itself into Chicago's other low fare airport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSN is going to feel the pain&#8230;.no doubt about it. Wait for the 2010 enplanement numbers to come out in late 2011&#8230;.she&#8217;ll see.  </p>
<p>We already know that RFD won&#8217;t be affected, because it hasn&#8217;t been affected by Air Tran&#8217;s buildup at MKE. In fact, I don&#8217;t think that very many Southwest passengers from the Rockford area are going to be diverted away from MDW to MKE.</p>
<p>There is a specific demographic that flies Allegiant, and they don&#8217;t want to go to MKE anymore than they want to go to ORD/MDW, even though we all know that MKE is substantially easier. Earl and Esther from Paw Paw fly out of RFD for a reason.</p>
<p>If anything, RFD will benefit from this. No other low fare carrier in their right mind would consider serving MKE at this point. MKE is now Midway North, and nobody has the guts to go against Southwest and Air Tran at MDW. In fact, if Spirit wants to sustain their low cost model, or grow their Chicago market, for that matter, they won&#8217;t even be serving O&#8217;hare in five years&#8230;..nor will they go up against anybody at Midway.</p>
<p>Congratulations to MKE. They have a world class facility that has just transformed itself into Chicago&#8217;s other low fare airport.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by Thomas V. Bona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1174</link>
		<author>Thomas V. Bona</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1174</guid>
		<description>Arnie - True ... the prices quoted above are for metro areas, so smaller towns are going to have lower prices. But compared to other metro areas around the state, the Rockford area is cheaper than most of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnie - True &#8230; the prices quoted above are for metro areas, so smaller towns are going to have lower prices. But compared to other metro areas around the state, the Rockford area is cheaper than most of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s fuel price musings - As prices drop a bit, Rockford remains below most of state by Arnie Binning</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/11/03/todays-fuel-price-musings-as-prices-drop-a-bit-rockford-remains-below-most-of-state/#comment-1172</link>
		<author>Arnie Binning</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas Sunday was $2.59 a gallon in Utica and LaSalle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas Sunday was $2.59 a gallon in Utica and LaSalle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do you choose what gas station to use? by Thomas V. Bona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/10/15/how-do-you-choose-what-gas-station-to-use/#comment-1170</link>
		<author>Thomas V. Bona</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/10/15/how-do-you-choose-what-gas-station-to-use/#comment-1170</guid>
		<description>Dave,

Sorry but it's not so simple.

A. As &lt;a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Snopes.com&lt;/a&gt; notes, those numbers are outdated ... both old, and not taking into account industry consolidation.

B. More importantly, as  the &lt;a href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=gasoline_where" rel="nofollow"&gt;Energy Department says&lt;/a&gt;, it's nigh impossible to tell where the gasoline you pump came from:

"This mixing of brands occurs because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal....

...Even if we knew which company’s refinery produced the gasoline, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Sorry but it&#8217;s not so simple.</p>
<p>A. As <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp" rel="nofollow">Snopes.com</a> notes, those numbers are outdated &#8230; both old, and not taking into account industry consolidation.</p>
<p>B. More importantly, as  the <a href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=gasoline_where" rel="nofollow">Energy Department says</a>, it&#8217;s nigh impossible to tell where the gasoline you pump came from:</p>
<p>&#8220;This mixing of brands occurs because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;Even if we knew which company’s refinery produced the gasoline, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do you choose what gas station to use? by Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat/2009/10/15/how-do-you-choose-what-gas-station-to-use/#comment-1168</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not use companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil like ARCO, Sunoco, Conoco, Sinclair, BP/Phillips, or Hess.   
Shell Oil is one of the biggest importers of Middle Eastern oil.
Use your heads folks. Even if a local company (distributors) is family owned, where do you think the money goes? Shell has been and always will be my last choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not use companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil like ARCO, Sunoco, Conoco, Sinclair, BP/Phillips, or Hess.<br />
Shell Oil is one of the biggest importers of Middle Eastern oil.<br />
Use your heads folks. Even if a local company (distributors) is family owned, where do you think the money goes? Shell has been and always will be my last choice.</p>
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